For all you gays out there-HR 1592 Passed

[undertheradar]

i also have no interest in being gay and when i have kids i definitely want them to grow up in a place like you describe. +1

however i have some friends who are sometimes straight up anti-gay and sometimes not (they're christian). i'm pretty sure none of them would say anything to a gay mans face, as long as they were being left alone. im sure that if a gay guy were to come up to one of those friends and do something that rubbed them the wrong way words would be exchanged.

I've never met a gay person that forced their beliefs the way the average christian does.

[(S3)]

But what does sex have to do with marriage?

Usually marriage means the end of sex.

This is true.....no argument there.....

[sealice aka lone ranger]

I'm pretty confident that not a single person arguing against gay rights would ever say anything to a gay persons face.

you would be pretty wrong. i have made clear on more than one occasion the same arguments i have made on this board.

[Dzan]

You can be jailed for protesting a gay pride parade!

No you can't. You are completely misrepresenting this bill. This bill makes it a WORSE crime to beat the shit out of someone due to their sexual orientation than it would be to beat the shit out of some one normally. This does not criminalize any previously legal act. Learn to read.

[sealice aka lone ranger]

I don't care how long its been around. My opinion is that homosexualality is not normal and never has been. In my mind its a perversion. Doesn't mean I won't tolerate it.

I don't care about what people do behind closed doors. I just think that as a society we should use common sense and not promote same sex marriage. It was never intended that way........

agreed.

[undertheradar]

No you can't. You are completely misrepresenting this bill. This bill makes it a WORSE crime to beat the shit out of someone due to their sexual orientation than it would be to beat the shit out of some one normally. This does not criminalize any previously legal act. Learn to read.

Finally!

[samcollett]

Again I'll argue this: there are lots of things that were commonplace for thousands of years, and in more recent times were found to be unjust, unnecassary or outright wrong. Thankfully there have been those that have stood up and fought for their rights...and were steadfast hard and long enough to get things changed.

Nobody should have to just settle for something if they feel it's not right.

i don't think i've ever heard such a stereotypical liberal argument in my life.

[undertheradar]

i don't think i've ever heard such a stereotypical liberal argument in my life.

lol, as if the anti-gay argument hasn't been beaten to death.

[skimmer-x]

All right time for me to chime in. I am with S3on this. And i am going to add to this. So hold on. I don't care what they do. They have the same rights as we do minus fed law giving them civil union. And if they get it, fine. But don't get all bent when you find people are against it.

Underthe radar, maybe in california they are mostly for "gay rights" but not here in the ole' south. They just got used to black rights. And most of America to be frank.(haha)

My blanket statment will be this. I am sick and tired of here in the last couple of years that the minority has gotten to say what is and isn't. I don't mean frack minorities civil rights. That is different. I mean seperation of church and state for example. The people who are against it have all wrong in the first place. Same with people and "gay rights". They have always had the same rights as everyone else. It was other people who violated there civil rights.

This country and it's freedoms, that all are entitled to, got to where it was by doing as the majority wants. That is what this country is founded on, hence the purpose of voting. So why the frack all the sudden we have to coddle the minority and the weak? Yes help the weak and the minority. But you don't change the laws to work in thier favor. You change laws to make things equal, fine. But not to flip the majority to the minority.

[undertheradar]

All right time for me to chime in. I am with S3on this. And i am going to add to this. So hold on. I don't care what they do. They have the same rights as we do minus fed law giving them civil union. And if they get it, fine. But don't get all bent when you find people are against it.

Underthe radar, maybe in california they are mostly for "gay rights" but not here in the ole' south. They just got used to black rights. And most of America to be frank.(haha)

My blanket statment will be this. I am sick and tired of here in the last couple of years that the minority has gotten to say what is and isn't. I don't mean frack minorities civil rights. That is different. I mean seperation of church and state for example. The people who are against it have all wrong in the first place. Same with people and "gay rights". They have always had the same rights as everyone else. It was other people who violated there civil rights.

This country and it's freedoms, that all are entitled to, got to where it was by doing as the majority wants. That is what this country is founded on, hence the purpose of voting. So why the frack all the sudden we have to coddle the minority and the weak? Yes help the weak and the minority. But you don't change the laws to work in thier favor. You change laws to make things equal, fine. But not to flip the majority to the minority.

The problem is that for the most part the "majority" can't tell their heads from their asses. George Bush getting elected once, and then again is a perfect example.

[undertheradar]

C'mon guys...give me more. This is killing time like whoa!

[ZapBulletRider]

marriage is between a man and a women

one day it's crack dealers, the next it's polygamists. Max is the voice of the minority.

[volcom of doom]

one day it's crack dealers, the next it's polygamists. Max is the voice of the minority.

polygamy is when you have more than one spouse
not gay marriage

[ZapBulletRider]

re read the quoted post, then apply foot to mouth.

[undertheradar]

one day it's crack dealers, the next it's polygamists. Max is the voice of the minority.

lol, I got tired of everybody getting all pussy-hurt for commenting on bad spelling or grammar.

[RexSkimmer]

i didnt realize max was a mormon

[Max Shapiro]

haha, nice one zbr. I still dont get why gay people get all bent out of shape because they have to call it a civil union instead of a marriage. Its the same legally. They can even call it a marriage if they want, it would just be a civil union on all the paper work. Fighting for equal rights is one thing, fighting for equal labels is just retarded.

[Dzan]

I still dont get why gay people get all bent out of shape because they have to call it a civil union instead of a marriage.

When did gays get to have nationally recognized civil unions?

[Max Shapiro]

never, but i know they have it in some states. It would be nice to have it nationally, but I would assume that if there was then they would still bitch about it not being called a marriage.

[ZapBulletRider]

meh, because I'm not gay, I really don't care about gay rights one way or another. It's whateva kid.

[jake]

another reason to hate gays. they are taking away our constitutional rights.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha holy shit

[ZapBulletRider]

there's only one issue I have with gays, and I'm dead serious about this. And I've told this to the one gay friend I have, I really have an issue with this. I'm an artist, and I don't discriminate when it comes to color. I used to have T-shirts in every single color in the spectrum. I love the rainbow. Back in '86 I used to have a sick OP sweater w/ a thin horizontal rainbow going across the chest. It was sick. If I wore that shit today I'd be required to pack fudge. Fags stole the rainbow from us, and for that I will NEVER forgive them.

[MDskimmerMAtt]

there's only one issue I have with gays, and I'm dead serious about this. And I've told this to the one gay friend I have, I really have an issue with this. I'm an artist, and I don't discriminate when it comes to color. I used to have T-shirts in every single color in the spectrum. I love the rainbow. Back in '86 I used to have a sick OP sweater w/ a thin horizontal rainbow going across the chest. It was sick. If I wore that shit today I'd be required to pack fudge. Fags stole the rainbow from us, and for that I will NEVER forgive them.

hahaha oh whit.

[lovestoskim]

okay, civil unions and marriage are NOT the same. the label isnt the only thing that is different between the two. first, civil unions are ONLY recognized in VERMONT, NEW JERSEY and CONNECTICUT and are not recognized and sometimes disrespected in other states, marriages are recognized and respected by ALL STATES. terminating a civil union would mean that you would have to establish residency in vermont to terminate the legal commitment. marriages have 1,049 legal protections and responsibilities that do not come with civil unions. of course there is the taxation, pension and insurance differences. official federal forms as if you are either married or single, people with civil unions do not fit into a category, so they might misrepresent themselves, this is fraud and is punishable. lastly, why have a distinction for a certain community of the country we all share and are proud to be a part of? the gay community pays the same taxes as the straight people do and are offered a second class citizen "union" or status? so much for equality huh. there are tons of differences between a civil union and a marriage, these are only the significant differences.

and to the people that are anti-gay rights...

if you have or are planning to have kids and one is gay, what of them? are you going to discriminate against your own child conceived of your own body? i would expect that every parent wants the best for their child. so would you be okay with a second class citizen status applied to your own child? i want to know. it doesnt matter what political party i fall under or what faith i believe in or what political party you fall under or your faith, the fact of the matter is, yes, even you mr. anti gay, can have a gay son or daughter.

[skimnczach]

whits last post is the best yet.

and i'm with whit, i don't care either way... just don't try to kiss me

[Maddshot]

...

and to the people that are anti-gay rights...

if you have or are planning to have kids and one is gay, what of them? are you going to discriminate against your own child conceived of your own body? i would expect that every parent wants the best for their child. so would you be okay with a second class citizen status applied to your own child? i want to know. it doesnt matter what political party i fall under or what faith i believe in or what political party you fall under or your faith, the fact of the matter is, yes, even you mr. anti gay, can have a gay son or daughter.

I believe that a child is homosexual based on his upbringing. Yes there may be some genetics involved, but if you raise an emotionally sound and mentally stable child, and let them know that any type of behavior that isnt allowed will not be tolerated, they will turn out perfectly fine. If you raise your child like a hippie from the '60s all about do whatever you want, dont be surprised when they start working at the Hershey plant.

[Max Shapiro]

okay, civil unions and marriage are NOT the same. the label isnt the only thing that is different between the two. first, civil unions are ONLY recognized in VERMONT, NEW JERSEY and CONNECTICUT and are not recognized and sometimes disrespected in other states, marriages are recognized and respected by ALL STATES. terminating a civil union would mean that you would have to establish residency in vermont to terminate the legal commitment. marriages have 1,049 legal protections and responsibilities that do not come with civil unions. of course there is the taxation, pension and insurance differences. official federal forms as if you are either married or single, people with civil unions do not fit into a category, so they might misrepresent themselves, this is fraud and is punishable. lastly, why have a distinction for a certain community of the country we all share and are proud to be a part of? the gay community pays the same taxes as the straight people do and are offered a second class citizen "union" or status? so much for equality huh. there are tons of differences between a civil union and a marriage, these are only the significant differences.

and to the people that are anti-gay rights...

if you have or are planning to have kids and one is gay, what of them? are you going to discriminate against your own child conceived of your own body? i would expect that every parent wants the best for their child. so would you be okay with a second class citizen status applied to your own child? i want to know. it doesnt matter what political party i fall under or what faith i believe in or what political party you fall under or your faith, the fact of the matter is, yes, even you mr. anti gay, can have a gay son or daughter.

I did not know some of that, but still, I think that if gays get civil unions in all state where the laws are identical to that of marriage except the word is civil union then they should be happy.

[skimmer-x]

The problem is that for the most part the "majority" can't tell their heads from their asses. George Bush getting elected once, and then again is a perfect example.

That doesn't matter. The majority is the majority. Stupid or not.

[ZapBulletRider]

agreed.

[Max Shapiro]

fyi its not majority rule, its plurality, theres a big difference.

[undertheradar]

I believe that a child is homosexual based on his upbringing. Yes there may be some genetics involved, but if you raise an emotionally sound and mentally stable child, and let them know that any type of behavior that isnt allowed will not be tolerated, they will turn out perfectly fine. If you raise your child like a hippie from the '60s all about do whatever you want, dont be surprised when they start working at the Hershey plant.

Oh dear lord....

[sealice aka lone ranger]

heres what i dont understand

if someone wants to be with someone of the same sex, and they know full and well that is not the deffinition of marrige that has existed in every religion for thousands of years why cant they just except that civil unions will have to suffice?

[sealice aka lone ranger]

marrige is a holy ritual, it does not need to be re written by some want to be hippies.

[Max Shapiro]

I believe that a child is homosexual based on his upbringing. Yes there may be some genetics involved, but if you raise an emotionally sound and mentally stable child, and let them know that any type of behavior that isnt allowed will not be tolerated, they will turn out perfectly fine. If you raise your child like a hippie from the '60s all about do whatever you want, dont be surprised when they start working at the Hershey plant.

or they will get angry that it is not tolerated and do the exact opposite.

[undertheradar]

heres what i dont understand

if someone wants to be with someone of the same sex, and they know full and well that is not the deffinition of marrige that has existed in every religion for thousands of years why cant they just except that civil unions will have to suffice?

There was this woman once, she had a desire to vote, but she new that based on tradition and law of the times, she wasn't allowed to voice her opinion. Man, could you imagine what would have happened if she's stood up and fought for what was right????

There were these old wig wearing white dudes that for some nagging reason just felt that the idea of owning another human being as a piece of property and treating them as they see fit was fundamentally wrong. Thank god they just kept their mouths shut and accepted it as the norm. Oh, and lets not forget those slaves themselves. I mean, they should have just been thankful that they were saved from their heathen ways back in Africa.




Wow, those religion based ideals have always been best for everyone involved!