U.N. experts leave Iran without nuclear agreement.

[Jim Gordon]

(CNN) -- Two days of talks with Iran have failed to produce agreement on how to verify that Iran's nuclear program remains peaceful, the International Atomic Energy Agency announced Tuesday.

Iran also refused to allow a team from the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency to visit its military base at Parchin, southeast of Tehran, during the two-day visit, the IAEA said.

Iran could send U.S. gas prices to $5 a gallon.

Iran says it is producing enriched uranium to fuel civilian power plants and has refused international demands to halt its production. But the IAEA reported in November that it had information to suggest Iran had carried out some weapons-related research.

In the meantime, Israel is making clear it is pondering an attack on Iran's nuclear infrastructure. Israel is widely believed to have nuclear weapons itself, though it has never declared itself a nuclear power and considers Iran an existential threat.

Iran has threatened to cut off the Strait of Hormuz, the only shipping lane out of the oil-rich Persian Gulf, if it is attacked. But last week, it also proposed a resumption of long-stalled talks with European powers and Security Council permanent members aimed at resolving the issue.

[Fuji]

Great thing is the whole world is working on telling Iran to stop. Japan,

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8DN3N120120223

EU:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8DN42020120223

And america are all pushing to slow them down. Props to the world on working together for once.

edit : oh and china is working to do something too. (#1 Iran oil buyer)

[thewelsh]

If Iran wants a nuke let them have a nuke. If they use their one nuke, we use a bigger one of ours and wipe them off the face of the earth.

I know very ignorant and full of holes plan but basically if Iran was to ever use a nuclear weapon we could wage a full scale war against them and win. Rather than all these messes we are currently tied up in.

Maybe they hate us so much because we are treating them like little children when they are a sovereign nation.

[Jim Gordon]

The news reports, that if Iran makes nukes they will sell them to terrorist to be used against the world.

[WSMassiv]

I can't remember the last time the news made shit up to get viewers. Iran must be creating nukes specifically for terrorists. There's no reason to think they would be for their own national defense. No, definitely terrorists.

[Fuji]

Can you not see them doing that? of course they would use it for their own personal defense but why not do both if you were Iran? selling nukes can definitely make you some allies to build your countries defenses.

[a_pla5tic_bag]

Even if they shot a nuke on an ICBM or the like i think we could shoot it down before it got anywhere near us. Plus, i don't think we would, but if we did nuke them they'd end up as one giant glass sculpture. Plus if you recall, some guy tried to leave russia with plutonium and was headed for iran. he got caught in the airport, or his bag did. the guy got away. that was december or january.

[WSMassiv]

The U.N. has no power and is virtually useless in this situation, so unless you all want to invade Iran and find out for ourselves, there's really no point in worrying about it.

[BART]

If Iran wants a nuke let them have a nuke. If they use their one nuke, we use a bigger one of ours and wipe them off the face of the earth.

I know very ignorant and full of holes plan but basically if Iran was to ever use a nuclear weapon we could wage a full scale war against them and win. Rather than all these messes we are currently tied up in.

Maybe they hate us so much because we are treating them like little children when they are a sovereign nation.

I don't think that's the issue. The issue is you cannot invade or go to war with a country that has nuclear weapons, so therefore the military power dynamic changes significantly.

[sealice aka lone ranger]

Korean War? Vietnam?

[BART]

???

Those countries didn't have nuclear weapons. And if you're talking about Russia, they were involved though proxy.

[sealice aka lone ranger]

Obviously they didn't have nuclear weapons. They barley had running water and electricity at the time.

[drewC.]

It's somewhat of a double-edged sword. I understand where people are coming at by saying let them misuse the nukes then take action, but at the same time many of us have become so familiar with nukes that we forget the devastation that can result. One nuke on NYC would take a giant toll on our country. I am glad that we're not alone with Israel with the discontent on this subject. We're viewed in a very negative light already and sole action on Iran would not help that perception either.

[BART]

Obviously they didn't have nuclear weapons. They barley had running water and electricity at the time.

Proves that you don't need advanced weapons to oatlast your enemy.

[sealice aka lone ranger]

Which would nullify they part of your statement that read you cannot go to war with a country who has nuclear weapons.

[BART]

Wheatever.

[sealice aka lone ranger]

frack

[Aaron Peluso]

I don't think that's the issue. The issue is you cannot invade or go to war with a country that has nuclear weapons, so therefore the military power dynamic changes significantly.

This and the fear that Iran could supply terrorists with nuclear technology or radioactive materials.

[BART]

True.

[thewelsh]

Their biggest enemy right next store has nukes, so I think having one for defense might help them sleep better at night. But hey if they sell it to terrorist, we'll know where they got them from.

[Klaustrophobia]

at which point it doesn't matter anymore. terrorists aren't just going to sit on stockpiles of them, they are going to use them. and plastic_bag, don't believe all the hype about our awesome missile defense. shooting down an ICBM is FAR from a sure thing.

[thewelsh]

well if it was terrorists they would not have an intercontinental missile, they would probably have a dirty bomb. But my point is maybe there would not be terrorists trying to blow us up if we got out of their own countries business.

[Jim Gordon]

well if it was terrorists they would not have an intercontinental missile, they would probably have a dirty bomb. But my point is maybe there would not be terrorists trying to blow us up if we got out of their own countries business.

I see your point, but terrorists think anyone who doesn't believe in what they believe should die!

[nukka-cp]

Iran Vs. America round 1... they got nukes!

[Fuji]

I see your point, but terrorists think anyone who doesn't believe in what they believe should die!

now now, watch out when saying that. The core believe is that if they do violent acts against non believers then its a personal benefit that gives them salvation. hahaha probably not the right place to say this but its more "no hard feelings, i just want to get to heaven"

[Jim Gordon]

If you noticed.....I didn't say who the terrorists were or their religion.

[penguinofsleep]

i may be wrong so dont quote me on this part, its like stuff i vaguely recall:
back in the early 70's abdul khan worked in the netherlands as a nuclear scientist for a while, took a bunch of shiz, sold the stuff to libya, iran, and north korea. now about 40 years later they finally have some stuff up and running. north korea is still barely getting the ball going. i dont think libya ever did? i think this says quite a bit about the current nuclear capabilities of these nations they have us worry about in the news... with that being said, no i dont think they are not capable of developing a nuclear program sometime soon, just that it would lag behind those of other nations for quite a long time.

with iran and israel: i dont think the typical israeli or iranian citizen is dumb enough to want nukes to fly, but given how crazy some of the leaders in both nations are, i wont be surprised if it happens. i hope like no other that israel won't send people over to mess up the iranian program, especially when another war in that region in my mind means that israel will inevitably and unfortunately drag the US in to it's own problems and affairs. the US has already been asking israel not to go over to iran on this one but whether or not they listen is a whole other issue. plus, if its not iran today, who will it be tomorrow? - especially considering that this kind of stuff becomes easier and easier to do as time goes by. ask anyone with a degree in physics if the fundamental ideas behind making a small nuclear device is really that difficult for a whole country to get done...

yes, i too feel better knowing that many nations are telling iran to step down on this one, including china (which by the way also has many large oil reserves like the US does) since iranian gov and leaders could really care less about what the US and its allies have to say. while yes, we are treating them like idiots and little kids on this one, given the current instability of the region, i think thats totally acceptable and understandable for now simply from a practical standpoint for the rest of the world.

about an ICBM, absolutely no idea if they could shoot one down or not - im thinking it would be 50/50 on that one. if they shot it up im guessing hawaii or the west coast. that or if they wanted to do it more quietly it'd be put on a cargo ship/container coming into the US and detonated in a major city.

[Aaron Peluso]

developing the ICBM is harder than the nuke I think. Nuclear bomb in terrorist hands and Iran being un-invadable are the big ones I think.

[nukka-cp]

Pelup it's a huge conspiracy.. stuxnet infiltrating there nuke spinny things, America looking for another reason to stay in the ME, another election year coming up so the topic has to be spicy for the media, Irans super malls aren't as cool as ours. Them peoples is all unlearned and deserving to be super invaded by some good ole boys, yee haw. haha

[Jim Gordon]

If Iran blocks the Gulf, watch the shit hit the fan......

[LI HxC]

Have to keep in mind that Iran is a huge supporter/funding of Hezbollah in the Lebanon and Hamas Westbank, these are the guys who wake up every couple days, roll out of bed and lob a few mortars into down town Tel Aviv simply because they're Jewish. So naturally, Israel goings into attack mode saying that Iran will give nuclear materials to Hezbollah and everyone who doesn't support the Israeli view on the subject is wrong.
You have to make a judgement for yourself, Iran openly funds a terrorist group who regularly attack Israel, therefore attacking American interests and in all likelihood will give nuclear enriched materials to the group in one way or another, and say they had no hand in it. But they are a sovereign nation of lunatics who think this is acceptable and claim 9/11 was in inside job, so to no ones surprise they just do shit to piss people off.
The stark reality of it is, Iran will probably give such materials to a terrorist group, wipe their hands of it and in the end we can't do jack about it because we can't prove it was them or go to war with them.