SkimChicks OC register write up

[wardovision]

the thing i like about this is that you call the pros together and talk to them. that creates some kind of unity and maturity within the contest, instead of everyone grumbling under there breathe and being to shy to speak up.

that should be implemented at every contest, a before and after meeting, even if its just impromptu everyone standing around in a circle. you go over any new rules, talk about the conditions, judging times etc etc

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[Adam Hayward]

That is always my intent Adam. I think you witnessed that in Navarre.

i did. in fact i have to say i specifically remember making a mental note that that contest was the only one i have ever been to that i didnt hear complaining from pros, everyone was just talking about how much they liked that format. everyone skimmed top notch and didnt have to worry about beating the guy next to him. it created like a friendly/competitive atmosphere that *seemed to be ideal

the only negativity was the confusion on how exactly it worked, but im sure over time that would be smoothed out

[wardovision]

So I'm not the only one that hears it. I was started to get pissed off because I thought people might just be telling me things they think I want to hear to make conversation...and believe me the last thing I want to do is create even more enemies for myself. Either way I'm over it

[Adam Hayward]

oh ya with that one exception, ive never not heard it. i agree with both you and aaron, some of it is just the nature of the game, people are bound to get pissed when they loose and try to place blame elsewhere, but some of it is actual constructive criticism and should be voiced. thats why i think in a group setting, people will be less likely to start complaining about what judge loves what competitor and more likely to voice actual legitimate concerns with the contest

[Aaron Peluso]

meetings are fine, but to really be productive they need to be outside the context of the event itself. ideas and rules should be discussed in the off season ideally so that peoples opinions arent motivated by what just happened to them or what they think might suit them best in these particular conditions.

Not that there is anything wrong with having a meeting day of, but from a contesst organizers point of view the rules are printed, there are 78 things to do, and discussing the nuances of that event which is already in motion cant really be a priority. rules are best set in stone. otherwise, if you change them, and it benefits one dude and hurts another, get ready for the shit storm.

[wardovision]

I know when I competed in professional snowboarding every single contest had a riders meeting. For the bigger events it was a 2-4 hour dinner the night before with automatic disqualification for anyone not present. I've always wondered why skimboarding doesn't do this.I MO if the riders are given a consistent an open group forum to voice their opinions and I bet a lot of this settles into the background. It really makes the complaints seem all that much more petty if they didn't say something when given the chance. (and not online or in aone on one situation)

Trust me, it's worth your time. I never saw any shit storms arise from rider meetings in snowboarding and competitive surfing seems to do be doing just fine as well.\

But I guess one good thing has come from not having standardized rider meetings. Like he said earlier Skim Invasion wouldn't likely exist if Frank was given the chance to speak his mind and felt like his concerns were properly addressed

[ThatGuy]

I like the night before rider meeting idea, most sporting events of a high level have that type of meeting the night before the event for athletes, coaches, officials etc....so that everyone is on the same page. Like Wardo said there are penalties for missing these meetings, as a U.S. field hockey official if I miss an umpires briefing the night before the tournament then I'm not gonna get games at the next event or I'll have games taken from me at that event.

I don't see this happening in Skimboarding events because I don't actually think that anyone will be penalized(I've seen riders break the "rules" and not be penalized). In snowboarding or surfing as a professional you have obligations as part of sponsorship contract, whether it be contest results or photo shots or appearances somewhere. Aaron I don't know how you structure sponsorship for your riders, but most of the sponsorships in the skim world I've seen are 'hey wear my shirt and put my sticker on your board...cool your sponsored'.

I'm starting to actually think that a riders union or something of that nature could be a good thing, for the simple fact that all of the Professionals would be on the same page and one or two voices would be able to have off-season talks with the UST and Skim USA to try and get a few things changed. This would be the time to implement experimental rules and new approaches to things at events and can then be re-evaluated as the season progresses with rider meetings before each event.

[narwhal]

A riders union?

Let's remember this is skimboarding...

Skimboarding has a hard enough time running the structure of contests and adding a riders union would be helpful because? Simply setting up the meetings is good enough at this point. You're talking about setting up a group for 35 or so people (when only 10 of those proably actually attend all UST events and other larger events.

A union would be needed if riders are not being represented but they are. There's no huge wall between directors and riders because we're both. Most contest directors skimmed in events and understand the balance needed. There's a problem without riders even voicing their concern. Now if riders maybe did that and no one listened...then yeah. But as of right now I think that step is a little over skimboarding.

Progression should be thought about it small and easy steps. Thinking way far ahead with the little funds in this sport is bound to crash and burn.

[Adam Hayward]

ideas and rules should be discussed in the off season ideally so that peoples opinions arent motivated by what just happened to them or what they think might suit them best in these particular conditions.

rules are best set in stone. otherwise, if you change them, and it benefits one dude and hurts another, get ready for the shit storm.

agreed, but even though the rules are set in stone, i think the meeting before the contest gets everyone together in a nice open atmosphere and the rules that might be new or out of the ordinary are gone over so they are well understood. sure it should be a riders responsibility to be familiar with the rules, but it seems like being clear very shortly before the contest is held lends itself towards less basis for complaints.

the meeting directly after the contest is when people can bring up formal complaints, suggestions etc. instead of people running home to skimonline and creating fake usernames to file their grievances. Or instead of contest organizers going home patting themselves on the back while half the riders sitting at the bar talking about how theyre quiting skimboarding because its b.s.

Im not suggesting it would be so easy either, since every organizer ive seen during a contest doesnt seem to have a second to spare, but maybe if it was made a serious priority then time could be found, though it obviously comes down to how much of a priority contest organizers think it is.

If I am planning on attending a contest, I would be happy to meet with the organizer a night or two before to talk about the rules and be responsible for holding that meeting the morning of, should they need the help.

Progression should be thought about it small and easy steps. Thinking way far ahead with the little funds in this sport is bound to crash and burn.

agreed. there are tons of good suggestions out there, even in this thread, but there are also reasons a lot of them are not already implemented. having an open mind, taking baby steps and a little trial and error seems like it would prove the most productive.

[Aaron Peluso]

Okay 7:30 Friday night before the Vic contest at Gina's pizza. Rider meeting. Who is down?

We will get Tex there. He is going to want to see the riders elect a professional rider representative who can be charged with polling the professionals and speaking for them on an ongoing basis. Which does make sense. There needs to be structure. Bring your volunteer hat.

[wardovision]

I think Woody would be an excellent choice. He's passionate about the sport, old enough to know whats up but young enough to benefit from his efforts, and gets along pretty well with the different cliques.

edit: actually I think there should be 2 rider reps

[TEEZERZ]

been reading sum and not sum in here....

i think rider meetings are dope as frack and wardo saying that you get D-qued if not there just shows that you really want to be there as a pro i know a that contest that had i would not go to even more and the ones that i would want to go to i would be so down for that i am going to tell beezley he should think about doing that for the SC contest...

i think pro input is a must for contest to be any better and coming from skateboard contest background in contest far more then skimboarding by about a 100 i think the best most intense fair crowd pleasing format is "JAM FORMAT" and it REALLY seemed to work and was the most fun i have ever had at a contest...CRAMIKFEST and it did work... start with some people, alot of people and narrow it down and if you don't get waves TOUGH looks like someone else did...
won't ever work because skimboarding contest are as lame as "CAT WALK'S"(skim fash's) just show how dope the cramikfest is...bitches!...


and on the "SKIMCHICKS" note.......


you all are talking really big talk LIKE REALLY REALLY BIG TALK!

why don't you try and skim with the "boys" at contest's and instead of being "SOMETHING" else (maybe better somehow) skim in the same heats as you would if you are pro and you "THINK" you are then skim with beak and paulo and and and ME!!! or if you are am skim with steve taylor oh yeah hes pro well BLAIR! or hoku or perry or fag ass S:KENNY....


i don't know why your trying to be so different yet in the same thing and kinda "bank" of the "boys" and be "GIRLS"....? ummm boobs and something else-else makes you that much more different as... ummm
"us SKIMBOARDERS"

.....okay i get you want alexis chappy stickie pants poo shoe primo to ride for skim chicks but hes all TEAM TARDO have you not seen the vids of that kid...


yeah please come back down from the hollywood cloud you are floating on and go to the beach...

maybe make a "YOUTUBE UPLOAD" so i and paddymack and other skimboarders can see why you get to skim at the better tides....

is your coin two sided heads you win.... huh?

ummm can the girls answer this please and vortex you can because you pee while sitting too?

(you fat weird faced fish holding nothing skum and i know you just kill it at skimonline-boarding in real LYFE

[Jaleez]

THIS

is that not being done right now?


PS. TEEZERZ, I dont even bother to read your posts anymore. Your use of caps, ''''''''' and internet slang without any interpunction, is pretty freaking annoying. If youve got something to say, try say it like a normal person for once.

[wardovision]

not really. Cabo has one the night before that's been voluntary in the past but looks like this year it's mandatory. I think this is a definitely a big step in the right direction.

[Jesse Davis]

Its not invisible to the pro skimboarder, industry, or pro photo groups... about 40 people in all i think... just all you commoners cant see it. ooooh, burn.

That sounds like a clique to me??

[toejam]

I think Woody would be an excellent choice. He's passionate about the sport, old enough to know whats up but young enough to benefit from his efforts, and gets along pretty well with the different cliques.

edit: actually I think there should be 2 rider reps

oh man.

[wardovision]

I guess not??? Obviously that would ultimately be up to you guys as a group to decide who should speak for you.

[Aaron Peluso]

I think there need to be volunteers who are willing to do the organizational work on behalf of the riders.

From those volunteers there can be a vote as to who the riders collectively want to represent them? I would say only professionals vote?

[wardovision]

that exactly the way I think it should be done. I was only giving an example of someone I thought would do a good job.

[Aaron Peluso]

yep yep. Everyone will have an opinion.. Best to suggest some guidelines and let the riders decide for themselves.

[wardovision]

I like the direction this thread is going now. Sometimes good can come from trainwrecks

[SteveTaylor]

I like the direction this thread is going now. Sometimes good can come from trainwrecks

Are you saying that Skim Chicks is a trainwreck? Watch what you say in this thread, it will be misquoted and turned against you Wardo!

[wardovision]

Yikes, thanks Steve. To clarify I was specifically referring to this thread (including most of my posts in it) and not Skim Chicks as being a trainwreck.

Like I've said before I admire the Skim Chicks determination, I just believe their efforts would do a lot more good if everyone worked towards a common goal.

[TEEZERZ]

is that not being done right now?




PS. TEEZERZ, I dont even bother to read your posts anymore. Your use of caps, ''''''''' and internet slang without any interpunction, is pretty freaking annoying. If youve got something to say, try say it like a normal person for once.

i got something to say
at least i am not a "SkiMChiCK" trying "RULE THE WORLD" in skimboarding right now like it oh so seems like is DA CaSe'z


ps you think i brother reading yours....oh your right i do and i look at your wonderful pictures. they are so wonderful. hey did you know there is a "rainbow" Outside My HoUSE rhizz now?

* so you chappie and vortex all want me to change....sniff sniff i guess i should

[McShwappin]

PS. TEEZERZ, I dont even bother to read your posts anymore. Your use of caps, ''''''''' and internet slang without any interpunction, is pretty freaking annoying. If youve got something to say, try say it like a normal person for once.

I applaud you for having the balls to poke the bear...

but if you don't read his posts, why does it matter if he does it sans "interpunction" or in that wacky interwebular dialect?

Are you prejudiced against retarded people or what?

I'm glad some good could come from this thread (progress in contest structure/juding)...hey...maybe SkimChicks really HAS contributed something to the sport...change?

[TRiiPPiN]

actually i'm gonna have to interpunct here to say that was a fairly easy to understand teezerz post(relatively)

[yasmyn andrade]

(my two centavos) If I wanted to look pretty i'd be at the salon, yoga class, possibly a mani/pedi? oh no, no.. maybe lying on the towel at the beach tanning my ass in a thong bathingsuit? not eating shit, screwing up my legs with cuts, bruises, etc, just to become a better skimmer. just sayin.

[xsjado916]

I'm going to go put my ankle-weights and "you go girl" shirt on and think this debate over..

[yasmyn andrade]

How many guys do you know that you would call and say "Hey, lets go skim" ? A lot. I know about three girls within a 30 mile radius of my area that will come skim with me. I wish I saw more girls out there that share the same common interest. I'm stoked about skimming and how Skimchicks is trying to influence girls/women to become a part of a sick sport. As well as promote and open a place for the ones who have already been working long and hard to get to where they are today. If you love skimming so much that you're on this forum thread having a deep conversation about sooo many skimboard related issues then you should have the respect and decency of knowing that there's women out here that love the sport just like you do. Dude, as far as im concerned if you can't support that and you'd rather sit here and make rude ass jokes about girls wanting to become a part of this then ummmm.. you must be gay or (offensive word of choice) toodles

[skimmer-x]

Or maybe they are trying to get you all spun up also for their enjoyment. Just saying.


A wise person once said "Be careful when arguing with fools. From a distance you can't tell who's who."

[yasmyn andrade]

a two piece brazilian bathingsuit is pretty close to naked, right? start dialing.

[yasmyn andrade]

maybe that's obvious? I made this account to read and post shit. and uhhh, deep down inside, everything said doesn't bother me at all lol I just like to argue and do hood rat things wif mah frands. just saying

[TRiiPPiN]

rutgers is scurr'd

[narwhal]

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