There is a WOB 2 miles down my road. lol. Monday night is service industry night. Half off all drafts. yeaaah.
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You get into this grey area when you start splitting things like IPA and APA (kinda like AWA versus White versus Hefe...)Originally Posted by megadeth
For the most part, pale ales will be lower in IBU's than IPA's but there are some beers that brewers call pale ales that have IBU in the IPA region and there are some IPA's that have IBU in the APA region. So which is which? Well, it's whatever the brewer wants to call it...
Indian Pale Ales originally were hopped higher. Hops are a natural infection fighter so for beers intended to travel long distances within the english empire, the brew master would hop at a higher rate before transferring to the firkins / wooden barrels. What many folks fail to realize is that hops fade significantly over time so what the englishmen in India were really drinking didn't taste much like what we enjoy. Also, true english style IPA's taste much different than American IPA's.
Hell, east coast IPA's taste different than west coast IPA's, so much so that another substyle of west coast style IPA has been born.
Again, it's all in what the brewer wants to call and and what you like to taste.
Try DFH 60 and 90 minute or Harpoon IPA and Leviathon DIPA and then go try Green Flash West Coast IPA and Imperial IPA and you will taste the difference between east coast and west coast.
I have a DFH 60 min ipa in the fridge right now. Next time I head out to the store I will look for Green Flash. Thanks for the input.
If you can't find green flash, stone ipa and ruination are quite good too. Lagunitas ipa and hop stoopid are another example...
green flash is so abundant here!
starting our IPA today!
W4a|e Hunter
Home-brewed ipa very rarely ends up as hoppy as you plan. If you can get your hands on some hop extract I would highly recommend doing so...
Our hoppy French saison is bubbling away, 1.056 down to 1.015 in 48 hours. Tastes great already. First all grain batch and I am sold.
for our 5 gallon batch we have about 8 oz of hops, is that not going to be sufficient?
update:
wort is boiling, going for a 90 min boil. we are doing our own spin-off of the pliny recipe. had to use a couple different, but similar hops since our homebrew mart sucks. our main one was closed.
ipa!!!
Last edited by SDSkim; 01-02-2011 at 06:09 PM.
W4a|e Hunter
amstel light = poop.
lol.
Last edited by megadeth; 01-02-2011 at 08:10 PM.
frack amstel light. dont come to the beer thread with that poop!
W4a|e Hunter
I was already warned once with the OE comment. lol. I apologize. Please don't neg me this time.
ill refrain
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Were you doing a full volume boil?
There's a good chance you've handled my ass-pennies. That gives me the edge.
nice line up i love the unibroue and la chouffe.
right now in the fridge i have...
dales pale ale
old chub
ten fidy
and the gubna
yeah we did a full boil. we had two kettles roarin with about 3.5 gallons (initial) in each.
W4a|e Hunter
Well, its debatable as to whether or not alpha acid isomerization changes with boil gravities, but if it does, your hop bill, without seeing the actual schedule, looks to be on the large size. Most recipes I've seen or made for IPAs top out at about 6 oz. for the boil - with about 1 1/2 to 2 oz dedicated to bittering.
There's a good chance you've handled my ass-pennies. That gives me the edge.
The Unibroue was actually for the wife, but Chouffee Houblon was all mine - an excellent marriage of a great Belgian Trippel hopped to west coast standards. I remember it being brighter and more aromatic when I had it on tap, but excellent from the bottle regardless.nice line up i love the unibroue and la chouffe.
right now in the fridge i have...
dales pale ale
old chub
ten fidy
and the gubna
Dale's is one of my favorite APA's, probably because it blurs the style lines (like Rick mentioned before) with IPAs. Not down with Old Chub - can't really dig the style in general. Haven't been able to get my hands on Ten-Fidy or Gubna, but certainly will if I can.
There's a good chance you've handled my ass-pennies. That gives me the edge.
(not my picture btw)
I tried this great white and it had a fruity/citrusy flavor too it. But unlike other fruity beers it wasn't overpowering. I can definitely say it's on my top 10.
"i dont even know what that means. eat my frack" -ToeKnee
Sealice, you like the Dales? Saw a can a guy left in a cart. Didn't know if it was any good or not.
Dales is a GREAT APA!
Just had a SN Stout. Definitely different than all the pale ales I've been trying lately. Would have to really try again for it to appreciate. Didn't seem to have the top end "bite" a pale ale does.
That "bite" is an attribute of the hop bitterness found in American Pale Ales... Stouts are generally more malt forward and tend to have a sweeter less bitter profile. I think this is what you were picking up on. There are some Imperial Stouts which are hopped heavier (some up to 95 IBU... These stouts have a similar story to the IPA - they were hopped heavier to ensure the beer held up as it was shipped from England to Russia and the Baltic region - which by the way also gave rise to the Baltic Porter)...
Have you started tasting any of the Belgian styles?
Speaking of Russia, do you know any Russian brews that could be found here Rob?
"I will see you either in hell or communism."
no I haven't. Any suggestions? So far I'm getting stone ipa, green flash west coast ipa (if I can find it), a dale's apa.
Good luck finding any Green Flash. Ive been waiting to get my hands on some west coast brews- specifically Green Flash IPA and some Russian River brews (pliney). However, I can find all the Stone and Oskar Blues I want.
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we have green flash here, the owner of my distributor loves it, and always overstocks on it.
"I will see you either in hell or communism."
so i accidentally drank a bud light that had been left open for two weeks in my basement. holy frack i have the shits like crazy.
None that aren't your basic Euro / American Macro Lager style... I know that Kvass is really the only style of beer which has it's origin in Russia.
Here is how Beer Advocate describes Kvass:
Matt at MadFermentationist has made quite a few Kvass beers.Kvass is Russian for "leaven" and is a 16th century beer-like beverage made with grains - wheat, rye, barley, etc - or dark rye bread, and often has additions of sugars, birch sap, berries, fruits; the process is akin to ancient beer brewing. It's basically a fermentation of what's around with a simple bakers yeast. It's low in alcohol and often flavored with herbs or fruits to knock the bitter edge out.
Yeah, I did a little research after I made my post, and saw that there are only a few microbrews around st. petersburg, kazan and moscow. Which is odd, because beer is claimed to be the second-most consumed alcohol based beverage under vodka in Russia.
"I will see you either in hell or communism."
If you aren't "loving" the hops right now - then you may want to take some time to try some other styles of beer. The Belgian ales are generally less aggressive with their hops (although there are some great Belgian IPA's...) Since you seemed to be somewhat welcoming to a beer like a stout with less "bite" I thought you may enjoy something with less bite but a different (lighter) mouthfeel and flavor profile (compared to a stout).
Saison Ales - I know that I talk about this style quite often - but it is easily one of my favorite style of beer. Look for Foret (brewed by the Dupont Family Farm House Brewery) or Saison Dupont. The Duponts almost single handidly brought the Saison style back into existence.
Trappist Ales - This is more of a category rather than style - as these beers can be of any style but must be brewed at a Monastery and all proceeds go to benefiting the Monastery. There are 7 Trappist brewers in the world today (6 of which are available in the US - Westvelteren is not available here...) My favorite trappist brewer is Orval. They only make one style for our market- a strong Belgian Pale Ale (they do make a Belgian table beer which is only available at the Monestary). Orval is very close to a Saison in taste. You may also appreciate the big (high abv), sweet quad style trappist ales - such as Chimay Grand Reserve (blue label) or Rochefort 8 or 10...
Belgian Wit Biers - These "white" beers must consist of atleast 50% malted wheat. They are generally light on the palate and easy to drink. Unibroue Blanch Du Chambly is made in Quebec Canada by Unibroue and is a very nice light Wit Bier. St. Bernardus makes a great wit bier too - although the mouthfeel is a bit creamier / fuller than I prefer...
Sour Beers (Guezes, Lambics, Flemish Red Ales, Oude Bruins, etc) - These beer styles are easily my favorite. These beers are made in the "old world way" utilizing wild airborne yeast and bacterias for fermentation, barrel aging, and other processes reminiscent to the way beer was made around the world prior to industrialization. I do not know what is available in your area - but if you send me a link to a store in your area with an online inventory I can see if they stock any of these styles. A few popular versions which may be found around there are Rodenbach (flemish red), Lindemans Cuve Rene Grand Cru Guezue (DO NOT BUY ANY OTHER LINDEMANS OFFERING AS THEY ARE HORRIBLE - their Guezue is awesome though), Jolly Pumpkin La Roja (actually brewed in Dexter MI - but a great Flemish Red), and so on... All of these beers blur the line between beer and wine.
And Eastern Europeans love their Czech style pilsners... I would bet that beers like Budvar are the "craftier" beers drank in that region...
damn. awesome post. I can't find a store around here (orlando) with an online inventory.
Mama bought me a set of nice pilsner glasses for christmas, I should probably get my hands on some czech style pilsners.
"I will see you either in hell or communism."
Rob can check out the World of Beer menu for the UCF area for you (http://ucf.wobusa.com/Menus.aspx) and maybe find some beers. Sadly they are not arranged by country or by style, rather alphabetically...and there are 400+ beers to read through.
The place here in Gainesville with 300+ beers- Stubbies and Steins- arranges by country which is pretty cool. And I also just found out you can purchase bottles to go!!! How the heck did I not know this? I guess I never though a bar would let me leave with beer, but if its unopened, I guess it makes sense.
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What are you in the mood for Beach?
If I was there, first thing I would try is Terrapin's Hopsecutioner, kill my taste buds then move on to St. Louis Framboise and finish with Rodenbach Grand Cru. That would be a good draft day for me. Really comprehensive bottle list.
What would you be in the mood to drink?
On the draft menu I see the following which I enjoy:
Bells Two Hearted - Great IPA - only enjoyed once but thought it was a solid beer
Rodenbach Flemish Red - Great Flemish Red Ale - this beer is aged in huge oak vats which gives it some tannins similar to some red wines.
Southern Tier Unearthly - I have only enjoyed once - but thought it was a solid IIPA. If you are looking to wreck your palate (remember - the intense IBU's from hops in these styles of beer can affect your ability to taste!) then give this a shot
St Bernardus ABT 12 - I have talked about St Bernardus in this thread in the past - but they are a Belgium brewery who craft some great beers. There was a period where St Bernardus brewed Westvleteren Trappist Ales for the monks... It is rumored that St Bernardus has maintained the yeast culture and is familiar with the malt bill, hopping, and other intricacies of the Westvleteren recipes. Most believe that St Bernardus is still using the Westy yeast to this day in the ABT 12 - Making ABT 12 the closest many of us will ever come to trying what is considered the best beer in the world (Westvelteren 12). ABT 12 is a big dark Belgian quad - low bitterness, some dark fruit sweetness... World class beer.
Stone Double Bastard - This is a GREAT beer. It is a hoppy American Strong Ale. I am always blown away by how balanced this beer is for the ABV and IBU's. (note - I have only had this once and it was a 2 year old cellared version)
Bottles:
Blanche De Bruxelles - Nice Belgian Wit Beir - similar to Blanche De Chambly
Brooklyn Local 1 - Garret Oliver (owner of Brooklyn) called this a Belgian Pale - but IMO it is closer to a Saison. Very nice beer.
Chimay Blue - As I mentioned earlier - this Trappist Ale is worthy of a try on a nice night.
Cigar City Jai Alai IPA - I have heard great things about this IPA - infact, I have heard great things about all of their beers. I would go out of my way to give my state brewers a taste and drink Cigar City and St. Somewhere pretty often if I were you.
Duvel - Duvel pretty much created the Belgian Strong Pale Ale category on their own. Great crisp beer that packs a punch (high ABV)
Flying Dog Gonzo Imperial Porter - The only thing better than this beers label art work is the beer itself. Great porter for a cool night.
Franziskaner Hefe-Weisse - If you have never had a German Hefeweizen, then this is a great one to start with. German wheat beers will be similar to Belgian Wit Biers - but a bit creamier and a bit more banana in the flavor.
Hitachino Nest White Ale - I have never had this Japanese made Belgian Style Wit Bier - but many say good things about it.
Ommegang Hennepin - Great Saison brewed in New York. (Probably the best US brewed Saison)
Orval Trappist Ale - (I talked about this one in an earlier post)
Rochefort 8 - (I also talked about this one in an earlier post)
Saison Dupont - World class Saison - light, blonde, earthy... a great beer.
Southern Tier Iniquity - I have never had this - but it is a Black IPA (or cascadian dark ale) which has good ratings... If you have never had a BIPA - then give this a shot. It will have the hops of an IPA with a roastier malt profile.
Unibroue Blanch De Chambly - Great Belgian Wit Bier if you are looking for something easy to drink.
Victory Prima Pils - I love this pilsner. It has plenty of European noble hop notes (different from the citrussy / danky / weed-like hops that we use here in the USA)...
Westmalle Tripel - Probably the best Tripel in the world (and I am not a huge Tripel fan as they always are a bit hot / spicy for me).
They have a great beer list (bottle and draft). I think the key is to try some different styles, find what you like and then we can offer some other beers...
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