i got to switch the way i hold my board so i dont cross step and change to back foot first. hopefuly it will help sognificantly like everyone is saying because i want to improve as much as i can. so if this will help, im doing it.
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[Back foot first; V-land Florida.]
Its weird though when i surf its opposite, front foot first. IMO if I were to drop my board and get on FFF then i would push the rocker down and plow through the water instead of skimming over any chop. I do get on BFF but I put my back foot on the top of the tail pad and then move it back wen i get ready to turn as Aaron said it is the most efficient way to maintain my momentum. You can get away with dropping FFF but to excel in a variety of conditions and still maintain your momentum during the drop you need to drop back foot first.
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front foot first but I wanna change cause I think back foot is smother. I can do back foot when its not very windy
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but the pros from the gulf that get on back foot catch waves that break farther and seem to get longer lines, and have better style.Originally Posted by carbonisyourfriend
I see that you are a fagot because you are riding that fixie.
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It does not affect how fast you get on your board if you do it right
I guarantee i get on the board just as fast as anyone on the gulf coast
to me I found that I don't have to run as fast with back foot to get to the same waves i did front foot, saving me some energy.
I see that you are a fagot because you are riding that fixie.
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k i dont know if anyone saw what i posted before but im pretty curious to get some opinions so im gonna post again
how many people gorilla drop / monkey crawl / whatever you want to call it
Whenever i see kids do that drop thy always seem to go like 10 feet further than everyone else. Like austin keen (sp) i saw him skim a couple times in cali and for the most part he one stepped but when he needed the extra couple feet it seemed like he would opt for the monkey crawl. Sean stevens does gorilla drop all the time and it always surprises me how far out he can get. any opinions on why? My personal view is that the little added momentum of throwing your holy body into the last movement carries a little bit more acceleration and allows the speed to stay above the skim sink threshhold
I've been working on it and teaching it to myself i think given a couple weeks of skimming one or two days a week and i should have a rough version of it worked out so i can use it to reach waves
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1,2 3, 4, 5 people gorilla drop. I counted them.
I think it's a cool drop, but its very hard to learn and stuff.
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Like look at Hugo Santos, he owns the portugal pro circuit from what i can gather and he works the gorilla drop and goes for miles.
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I think a monkey crawl is faster because its basicly insta side skim. The weight is already on the board most time when it hits the water. Instead of having a minor weight transfer from jumping on. Just seems more consistant. Although I have tried and faild BAD! hahahah..Shit is no joke...
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the only way this would make sense is if you had really sucked at FFF
yeah but you failed to mention the fact that you still have to stand up, which means already you eliminate yourself from conditions where you're hitting the wave pretty much right after you get on the board. I've seen one guy around here that monkey crawls, and he's pretty good, but I see him blow at least one wave a session due to his drop.
Besides it's not possible to move your feet onto the board and stand up from that position without shifting your weight around on the board some, and that's only going to make you lose speed. I don't understand why anybody drops like that, i think it looks retarded.
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Hugo's monkey crawl is really efficient in portuguese style waves where he often benefits from being able to do deep water drops smoothly before any of us could even get on our board (when the water is still too deep, on top of incomming surge). It really is an advantage in that particular situation.
However, I think its a disadvantage in a lot of other situations, and I dont know that the advantages outweigh them at all. Also, I think that drop style requires more athleticism to be really good at.
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yeah that and windy conditions are the only advantages I see. I was talking to a guy the other day and he goes "yeah it looks cool as shit" and I'm like "really?"
<-these emoticons indicate how I was feeling at the time
I think I'm actually going to try to learn BFF now, just to see how it feels. I dont' know if I'm necessarily going to stick w/ it but I want to see what all the fuss is about. But I'm pretty sure for me, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going to have to hold the board differently (currently right hand on the tail and I'm goofy footed). Maybe that's why BFF seems so awkward now, because of the way I hold my board.
Look at how cool me and this guy are getting on front foot first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3fknb3Rsw
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yeah, that one side slip def proves that it can't matter that much. i love that video.
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1:20 is exactly how I drop
and 2:02
if your goofy you should hold the tail of your board with your left hand.yeah that and windy conditions are the only advantages I see. I was talking to a guy the other day and he goes "yeah it looks cool as shit" and I'm like "really?"
I think I'm actually going to try to learn BFF now, just to see how it feels. I dont' know if I'm necessarily going to stick w/ it but I want to see what all the fuss is about. But I'm pretty sure for me, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going to have to hold the board differently (currently right hand on the tail and I'm goofy footed). Maybe that's why BFF seems so awkward now, because of the way I hold my board.
edit: i guess its different if u fff.
see the vid above, it works for some people obviously. Like I said it's worked for 17 years and by now I don't have any issues getting to waves.
i think it would be a little bit different if u were going for bigger waves in laguna
maybe, I still don't see how it makes a difference. By the time the board hits the ground my body is already rotated and my foot is already moving up right above the board. There's only a split second there b/c one time my board didn't drop quite as quickly b/c the wind caught it, and I kicked the board while running full force and split in between my big & second toe, got 5 stitches. I'd be willing to bet the difference in time that both feet are set between a really good FFF and BFF is minimal, if not nonexistent./
i think it has to do with the momentum you get from bringing the front foot around after the back foot is placed on the board which helps you generate more speed going out to the wave.
yeah I'm sorry but I've studied enough physics to know that's bullshit. What about the momentum you get on a FFF from your front foot landing on the board with all your weight on it moving forward at full run pace? If you think about it what you just said results in less forward push than a FFF drop. If BFF is unequivocally better than FFF for California, that is not the reason. I've watched plenty of vid of guys dropping at the wedge and such and I don't see anything that I couldn't get to w/ a FFF drop. Like I said before what would be hard for me is what to do at the actual wave, that would take getting used to, b/c those waves are bigger and more powerful than what we have here. But the obx gets some pretty steep beaches so that's nothing new.
fight fight fight
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an efficient back foot drop would give that guy about 10% more speed easy at 1:20. he is not running top speed at the drop point. 90% maybe, probably less. With back foot first, your initial board speed can be faster than your top running speed, because as you are landing with your back foot on the board you can be pushing laterally as hard as you can with your front foot.
Plus, in order to be that fast with the FFF drop he has to jump hard which creates a significant downwards force, that burns speed, even on the sand. 1:08 is the more impressive drop for sure. But even in that one he woud have reached that wave with more speed with a good back foot drop. Look at the water that comes off of his board on the way out, and he is already in a crouch because of his drop, so he has less room for error and less ability to adjust. He also would have been able to drop one or two steps further out BFF (yes, forever...), thereby reducing the distance to the wave.
For a FFF he does a pretty good job though. It good that he is able to water drop straight into a sideslip. That helps him a lot.
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but after the front foot first goes on the board you have to get the other foot on. that other foor is your back foot. this transfers your weight to the back thus slowing you down. go back to school...
it's not a fight, I just haven't heard enough to convince me that back foot is necessarily better. Are there guys in Cali that had a really solid front foot drop that had to switch because they had problems? If so, what were the problems?
i dont even think ive seen any guys in cali do front foot.
once your front foot lands your back foot is almost irrelevant, I would think the only exception would be if you push mongo on a skateboard. For me, when I push on a skateboard, I don't have to rush my back foot into place, sometimes I just let it hang, b/c I'm balancing on my front foot. Same kind of thing going on here, except you'd be a badass if you could hang your back foot and balance on one foot on the drop, but my point is that the front foot is more important for balancing, and when your back foot lands, you're not really shifting much weight onto it until you turn.
then wouldnt physics tell you that your jumping onto the board and putting all your weirght in the front right off the start does nothing for your momentum in water...but if you can walk onto the board.........
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Zebra and I are drop twins. FFF riding goofy and dropping with my right hand on the tail.
And, the only real problem I have with FFF is a lot of times I put my BF on too high and have to adjust it after I'm on the board.
watch the moving bodies as they react to the sound
how is a water drop easier back foot first than front foot? That makes no sense. Your back foot pushes the entire rest of the board up, where in a FFF your foot would land almost in the center of the board./
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