I just watched "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed"

[narwhal]

So horrible. Biggest propaganda piece ever. Funny to watch though.

Download it for a laugh.

Bart, I think your head would explode from watching it.

[narwhal]

[solvenskim]

whats so horrible?

[narwhal]

Are you serious?

[Conrad923]

to me this is actually interesting. I've been wondering about our existence and debating over how we really came to be for awhile.

[SolvenCarlos]

We came here from crystals man, molecules on crystals.

[Conrad923]

but why ben stein?

[solvenskim]

Yea im serious. I havent watched it yet.

[Conrad923]

We came here from crystals man, molecules on crystals.

i watched some program on the history channel about something sort of familiar to that, we were dust particles and some how formed to be what we are today

[Scrub]

God i hate intelligent design and that stereotypical writing on the chalkboard was fracking disgusting. This is propaganda. I love how he states no facts, just says it might be wrong. Please show some proof besides hinting at some conspiracy of scientists. I love when the scientist who is supposed to bne "bad" say that as a scientist he is against this opposing doctrine. Of course he is, ID isn't science.

I neg rep ben stein

[narwhal]

Yea im serious. I havent watched it yet.

Then watch it.

It's an actor trying to play scientist.

False absurd facts is the basis of the movie.

[Conrad923]

God i hate intelligent design and that stereotypical writing on the chalkboard was fracking disgusting. This is propaganda. I love how he states no facts, just says it might be wrong. Please show some proof besides hinting at some conspiracy of scientists. I love when the scientist who is supposed to bne "bad" say that as a scientist he is against this opposing doctrine. Of course he is, ID isn't science.

I neg rep ben stein

thats what i mean. why is ben stein doing this movie, shouldn't we have a respected group of teachers/scientists make this, not some washed up actor doing game shows and eye drop commercials

[Scrub]

For the uninformed, now that science is taught in schools and actual scientific facts are presented about the creation of life, the churches got butt-hurt and decided to create their own theory of creation which really has no basis except promote the belief in god through lies and misleading information. Then they took their "theory" of intelligent design and tried to push it into schools as science.....

[Scrub]

thats what i mean. why is ben stein doing this movie, shouldn't we have a respected group of teachers/scientists make this, not some washed up actor doing game shows and eye drop commercials

well he is a very well known person, and often interest groups/ movie makers find these well known "scholar celebs" (think al gore) and use them to promote their lame movies. Or Ben Stein wants 15 more minutes.

[Black]

So horrible. Biggest propaganda piece ever. Funny to watch though.

Download it for a laugh.

Bart, I think your head would explode from watching it.

Damn, this is disappointing. I was hoping for some valid new arguments for ID, to balance all of the science saying otherwise. Stein is a pretty smart guy, moreso in economics, but regardless. I was hoping he of all people would have some decent points.

I'll watch it for the sake of watching it I guess. Today won't be the day I convert I suppose.

[narwhal]

I believe he's completely behind the movie.

[BART]

to me this is actually interesting. I've been wondering about our existence and debating over how we really came to be for awhile.

interesting?! haha it is the question, isn't it? i agree, in fact i consider the question almost everyday...

[BART]

food for thought

[Dzan]

It is hilarious to watch someone flush their credibility down the toilet in one project. Granted Ben Stein already lost his years ago, but this one was a power flush.

[del-a-where?]

food for thought

haha that was interesting, until i saw who produced it.



edit: i take that back, they DO have some intelligent work, just express it in a childish manner.

[Utah]

thats what i mean. why is ben stein doing this movie, shouldn't we have a respected group of teachers/scientists make this, not some washed up actor doing game shows and eye drop commercials

I haven't seen it yet so I have no comment on the movie, but Ben Stein has an academic background that goes way beyond "washed up actor doing game shows and eye drop commercials".

He was a defense attorney (defended Nixon on part of the Watergate trial. The portion that Stein defended, Nixon was not convicted for)

Was also a speech writer for Nixon and for Ford...

I believe he's completely behind the movie.

Yeah, he completely spearheaded the project. I heard him being interviewed about it. Not sure what inspired him to do it, but it was his project...

[BART]

haha that was interesting, until i saw who produced it.



edit: i take that back, they DO have some intelligent work, just express it in a childish manner.

alan watts is a fairly well known philosopher who died in the 1970's. just because whats their faces are fans and took audio from one of his lectures and animated it doesn't make the audio stupid.

[narwhal]

I haven't seen it yet so I have no comment on the movie, but Ben Stein has an academic background that goes way beyond "washed up actor doing game shows and eye drop commercials".

He was a defense attorney (defended Nixon on part of the Watergate trial. The portion that Stein defended, Nixon was not convicted for)

Was also a speech writer for Nixon and for Ford...



Yeah, he completely spearheaded the project. I heard him being interviewed about it. Not sure what inspired him to do it, but it was his project...

It's a huge leap from lawyer to scientist.

[Utah]

It's a huge leap from lawyer to scientist.

Oh I agree. I was just pointing out to him that he's not just a washed up actor...

[Dzan]

It infuriates me when people want ID to get "equal time." These people have no idea how science works. There aren't two sides to every debate just because some group of people want there to be, there are only as many sides in the debate as the evidence warrants.

Since there isn't a single shred of empirical evidence to even suggest at intelligent design but there is mountains of unassailable evidence that evolution is fact, asking for equal time would be like people that didn't believe in Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion asking for equal time.

If Intelligent Design becomes a robust theory that can withstand peer reviewed scrutiny it will get all the time it deserves. Right now, it gets all the time it deserves, which is to say none.

[RexSkimmer]

ID is really a backwards step for humanity

[narwhal]

I listened to seveal interviews with Stein. So I am not sure if it was from that or the trailer.

But he is quoted to saying, "The study of Evolution has not advanced what so ever since the time of Darwin."

Wow, just wow.

[Scrub]

It infuriates me when people want ID to get "equal time." These people have no idea how science works. There aren't two sides to every debate just because some group of people want there to be, there are only as many sides in the debate as the evidence warrants.

Since there isn't a single shred of empirical evidence to even suggest at intelligent design but there is mountains of unassailable evidence that evolution is fact, asking for equal time would be like people that didn't believe in Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion asking for equal time.

If Intelligent Design becomes a robust theory that can withstand peer reviewed scrutiny it will get all the time it deserves. Right now, it gets all the time it deserves, which is to say none.

+10000

[narwhal]

Dawkins Thoughts

[Adam Hayward]

For the uninformed, now that science is taught in schools and actual scientific facts are presented about the creation of life, the churches got butt-hurt and decided to create their own theory of creation which really has no basis except promote the belief in god through lies and misleading information. Then they took their "theory" of intelligent design and tried to push it into schools as science.....

boy im glad the "churches" finally got around to creating their own theory of creation. its about dang time.

to think all these years just blindly believing in nothing with no explanation...

thank you for informing the uninformed

[narwhal]

Creationism is a new word since the late 20th century to fight science.

So he is mostly right.

[Adam Hayward]

It infuriates me when people want ID to get "equal time." These people have no idea how science works. There aren't two sides to every debate just because some group of people want there to be, there are only as many sides in the debate as the evidence warrants.

Since there isn't a single shred of empirical evidence to even suggest at intelligent design but there is mountains of unassailable evidence that evolution is fact, asking for equal time would be like people that didn't believe in Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion asking for equal time.

If Intelligent Design becomes a robust theory that can withstand peer reviewed scrutiny it will get all the time it deserves. Right now, it gets all the time it deserves, which is to say none.

I dont understand what you mean by evidence? Like carbon dating bones? Because that is based purely on theory, and is consistently proven inaccurate. Not that I dont agree that fossils can be dated, I just dont believe it to be so accurate as to not allow any margin for debate, to sell it as indisputable evidence.

I believe in adaptation within nature absolutely, there is plenty of evidence of that without a doubt. And to take that and use it as a fact supporting the theory of the evolution of life without admitting that there may be other possibilities I would consider being closed-minded. But I'm not entirely sure thats what you're saying.

[Dzan]

I dont understand what you mean by evidence? Like carbon dating bones? Because that is based purely on theory, and is consistently proven inaccurate. Not that I dont agree that fossils can be dated, I just dont believe it to be so accurate as to not allow any margin for debate, to sell it as indisputable evidence.

I believe in adaptation within nature absolutely, there is plenty of evidence of that without a doubt. And to take that and use it as a fact supporting the theory of the evolution of life without admitting that there may be other possibilities I would consider being closed-minded. But I'm not entirely sure thats what you're saying.

You use the word "theory" and clearly don't understand what it means. I would go into depth of why evolution is an assailable fact at this point, but since you don't even seem to understand basic scientific jargon- the definition of the word theory, for example- I'm not sure it wouldn't be a huge waste of my time.

[skimcowboy]

My history teacher told me carbon dating was a lie. I told him "So is Jesus."

[BART]

adam - i don't think it's about dismissing other possibilities as much as simply acknowledging what is scientific and what is not... the problem most science educators have with creationism/ID being taught as science is that it is not a scientific theory. personally i have no problem with creationism being a part of public school cirriculum, but it belongs in the appropriate setting, which is philosophy or a comparative religion class, where students learn about religous worldviews.