The Second Official Car Thread

[Chrith]

test drove an 09 legacy with just the NA 2.5 and it was a pretty fun drive, almost anything will be sportier than the beast wagon now so im easy to please

[GnipGnop]

if you can afford a used s2000, I say do it. it will be so fun that you won't mind losing the seats/cargo. just make sure at least one skimboard fits in the trunk so you can lock it up if you want to run in somewhere and I think you'll be covered. I can't really afford my bike, but whenever I ride it I instantly forget about it. Buy toys while you can before you get a wife/kids/mortgage etc, but don't put yourself in the poorhouse.

I really want an IS300 sportcross. Seems like the best of both worlds, and I think the look pretty damn nice too.


I love the yellow they came in.

[CaboWabo]

All the more reason to go drive a Legacy GT and see what you may (or may not) be missing out on. The 2.5 might feel fine compared to what you have now, but you'd be kicking your self if you got it, then realized you should have just got a GT. Seems like you're looking for something sporty and a naturally aspirated Legacy is anything but. The Legacy GT on the other hand could possibly play the dual role a bit better.

EDIT: I think the best of both worlds is a 5door WRX/STi or possibly an Mazdaspeed3...that's just me though. Also, I'll vouch for the just not giving a frack about having no cargo room. I mean, I was ready to take that plunge and it's for a completely new hobby, so it was a bit easier, but holy shit I love my Miata. I do need to figure out how to carry my mountain bike and get the skimboard to the beach with g/f in the car, but it's doable .

[Chrith]

im just scared to get an insurance quote for one. (s2000)

something along the lines of THIS would be perfect

[GnipGnop]

2 seat and under 25 would be ridiculous in Canada.

Automatic? no wai.

[Chrith]

i can deal with the auto if im going for practical over RACECAR.

gnip, i've thought about those too. really hard to come by them though

cabo, i've grown pretty accustomed to my naps in the back of my car. when the outbacks a rockin dont come a knockin

[CaboWabo]

Automatic, gtfo! The main thing you need to do in a turbocharged car is control the revs and stay in the boost...auto's just frack it all up.

[CasterTown]

Interestingly, good NA's are even more sensitive to RPM and footwork because they will have no low-end. At least a turbo has some guts down there for guys who can't downshift and/or drive auto

[SkimNate]

so I'm probably snagging one of thesefor my next car (have a Neon now)

what do you guys think?

[DJ-NJ]

Back to bashing this moronic kid lying about supercars...if you guys remember he completely totaled his whip a little bit ago.. hopped the curb so daddy jerked his dick and got him a 3series or somethin..please my pickup was more expensive than that.

Kid hasn't posted since Doug said he never worked on a car before...can you even change the oil..let alone check some fluids sacto

[SACTO skim]

I work on my car myself with my uncle. Never said I owned an exotic car, am in no position to own one. Just simply shoot for the owners and happen to drive them every once in awhile. Parents have only purchased one car for me, that being my first car in while I paid them back 6 months later.

[CaboWabo]

Interestingly, good NA's are even more sensitive to RPM and footwork because they will have no low-end. At least a turbo has some guts down there for guys who can't downshift and/or drive auto

Tell me about it, my torque and HP (which are meager to begin with) hits between 4500-6500 RPM's, Amy thing else is no mans land. It really is a different car at right around 4000, it reminds be of a two stroke BC you feel a very noticeable increase in power, it just wakes the frack up.

RX8's are sick, just be ready to feed it lots of oil and never let it run low. Also, that car NEEDS to see revs, it's made to do so. Just do your research, I'd be very wary of an older rx8 myself. Whereas the miata has one of the most bullet proof engines ever, the rx8 not so much plus many of them also suffer from being driven like buicks.

[tommygallagher]

Get it manual obviously, but also for the reason Cabo said. Keep it revving high

[CaboWabo]

New tires have so much fracking grip! The course for the second event was MUCH faster (at an airstrip vs small parking lot) meaning I was at a bigger disadvantage, but I did well. Being the most down on power car there the name of the game was: Don't lift, don't brake. I literally had two major braking points where I came from near the top of 2nd down to low 2nd or 1st...the rest was WOT or slight feathering just to give the front end some grip via weight transfer instead of plowing wide into cones. My last run should have been good enough to take second, but I tried to be a hero and brake super late for the last slalom, which I had been nailing all day, and sent myself into a drift.

Heel/toe downshifts to first at the 180 at the end of the airstrip felt great though. An instructor rode along and yelled out "Nice!" when I did it, guess he wasn't expecting the newbie to drop it back in the power .

These are PAX times, which are adjusted for final standings. For instance the SSM MR2 was actually 2 seconds faster in RAW time, but after the harsh PAX adjustment it takes it evens things out. Fastest car of the day was a Vette Z06, prepped for SS class, it PAX'ed a 27.8...which puts me to shame .





I really need to do myself and my tires a favor and do the next cheapest upgrade in the way of an alignment. Put more tire to the ground and stop tearing up the outside half of the tire. After 8 runs it's evident my alignment isn't near aggressive enough for the driving I do.

[GnipGnop]

That's pretty incredible you're running that high up on your...what...2nd autocross? Nice work man.

[CaboWabo]

That's pretty incredible you're running that high up on your...what...2nd autocross? Nice work man.

Yup, 2nd event. Thanks dude. Here's some pics.

Sloppy suspension much?



Gettin' after it on my last run.



The save...and just to show I really was hugging the cones more than most pictures seem to indicate

[CaboWabo]

A little more getting silly with it, frackin' love this car.

[a_pla5tic_bag]

for the past week and a half, i've seen two kids driving around with no hood. not sure why.

[CaboWabo]

If I had to take a guess...the next pointless and dumb ricer fad.

[BlackFA522]

Interestingly, good NA's are even more sensitive to RPM and footwork because they will have no low-end. At least a turbo has some guts down there for guys who can't downshift and/or drive auto

Very true, but it really teaches you how to drive because it forces you to not be lazy. I bought a civic si as my first car (have had it a year) for that reason. And its stick

Tell me about it, my torque and HP (which are meager to begin with) hits between 4500-6500 RPM's, Amy thing else is no mans land. It really is a different car at right around 4000, it reminds be of a two stroke BC you feel a very noticeable increase in power, it just wakes the frack up.

RX8's are sick, just be ready to feed it lots of oil and never let it run low. Also, that car NEEDS to see revs, it's made to do so. Just do your research, I'd be very wary of an older rx8 myself. Whereas the miata has one of the most bullet proof engines ever, the rx8 not so much plus many of them also suffer from being driven like buicks.

I know how you feel, I drive a car w/ VTEC so all my power starts, actually kicks in by switching to the high cam, at 5800, with limiter at 8300
I've heard that if you shut off an RX-8 before it's warmed up, it floods the engine?
I wanted an RX-8 R3 really bad just because of the amazing handling and low power/high revs, and they put a 100k warranty on all of them.

A little more getting silly with it, frackin' love this car.

I just did my first autox a few months ago, and there havent been any close to me since, although one is coming up this wknd! I picked up a bell sport SA2010 for autox and hpde stuff. My first autox it poured, but it was actually good because it exaggerated everything that the car did, most of which was understeer lol (fwd civic si). It actually rotating really well with a little bit of brake input or lift throttle. I placed first in GS Completely stock btw for now, acura tsx brake swap coming very soon though
Fastest car there was a miata, same generation and color as yours. I wish i wouldve bought a cheaper used Si and saved the extra money for a miata just for autox

[CaboWabo]

Nice. There's a really fast GS Civic Si that runs with us, but his powersteering got screwed right at the end of his first run causing a massive spin through cones. He then drove his dad's Cobalt SS and proceeded to go faster, lol. It's amazing how fun autocross is and how much it shows you what your car can (or can not) do. Until this weekend (my 2nd autocross) I didn't realize I could just get crazy with the inputs and get the car out of line and still drive out of it fine. Now that I know how aggressive I can get I expect to get faster once I find that sweet spot between smooth/aggressive. Also eyeing the most budget setup I can get for coilovers. This sport is going to make me go even more broke than I already am.

[CasterTown]

BlackFA5, a rear sway bar is aparently the best mod you can do on our cars for auto-x. I drive an FG2 btw!

[Teddy Hartford]

thinking of selling my gti and joining the vtec crew with an s2000. Good idea?

[CasterTown]

Performance-wise its a no-brainer, but an S would be harder to live with.

[BlackFA522]

Nice. There's a really fast GS Civic Si that runs with us, but his powersteering got screwed right at the end of his first run causing a massive spin through cones. He then drove his dad's Cobalt SS and proceeded to go faster, lol. It's amazing how fun autocross is and how much it shows you what your car can (or can not) do. Until this weekend (my 2nd autocross) I didn't realize I could just get crazy with the inputs and get the car out of line and still drive out of it fine. Now that I know how aggressive I can get I expect to get faster once I find that sweet spot between smooth/aggressive. Also eyeing the most budget setup I can get for coilovers. This sport is going to make me go even more broke than I already am.

I've heard of that happening, mostly during very cold weather, but I only have 11k so nothing has happened to me yet. Cobalt SS's are fast!!! I tried to explain the exact same thing to my dad the other day. We co-drove my car, and I drove very aggresively while he didnt. I was explaining that i was above the limit and he was below, and whoever was closer would win, and then said i was closer to it because i beat him lol. He thought i was making fun of him lol.. Im looking for that sweet spot too! What tires do you run?
Koni is always a great option, then run whatever coil sleeves, such as ground control, you can find (if these parts are available for your car which im sure they are). Healthy bank account or fast times at autox.. lol

BlackFA5, a rear sway bar is aparently the best mod you can do on our cars for auto-x. I drive an FG2 btw!

That and some camber up front are the best mods forsure, aside from tires which is #1. I'm thinking about ordering a progress rsb soon, as it is now legal in G-stock class, along with some oem crash bolts and star specs. I still want to do the tsx brake swap for track, but i think if i got dedicated track pads they would be about equal in fade resistance to tsx and dual purpose pads. No way!!! I never thought id find someone on here lol, your on the 8th right? What are your mods?

thinking of selling my gti and joining the vtec crew with an s2000. Good idea?

I say yes. Its just a whole different type of engine, which i love. I also love the torque curve on the gti, but theres just something about VTEC that feels more raw idk how to explain it. It will be a much better handling car too, as its rwd and double wishbone front and rear. Definitely cheaper to maintain as well. I'd say go for it if you can live with the confines of a 2 seater (or in my opinion the many benefits like not having to give rides)
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/9225...or-a-2011-gti/
There's some opinions, although biased, from S2KI members

[CasterTown]

That and some camber up front are the best mods forsure, aside from tires which is #1. I'm thinking about ordering a progress rsb soon, as it is now legal in G-stock class, along with some oem crash bolts and star specs. I still want to do the tsx brake swap for track, but i think if i got dedicated track pads they would be about equal in fade resistance to tsx and dual purpose pads. No way!!! I never thought id find someone on here lol, your on the 8th right? What are your mods?

I'm on 8th but really just to browse the classifieds... not that I ever buy anything since I'm mostly stock. I have an intake, flashpro, and motor mounts. Right now I want a suspension upgrade, better seats, and a louder exhaust for the mountains (cyclists be gettin' outa my way)! I'm looking for a skunk2 RR on 8th atm. Safety first.

[BlackFA522]

I'm on 8th but really just to browse the classifieds... not that I ever buy anything since I'm mostly stock. I have an intake, flashpro, and motor mounts. Right now I want a suspension upgrade, better seats, and a louder exhaust for the mountains (cyclists be gettin' outa my way)! I'm looking for a skunk2 RR on 8th atm. Safety first.

Intake and FP is all you need really for engine, thats what i plan on doing. Sounds amazing and you get all the benefits of FP. I'd go with a full race 3" over a skunk2. I was behind a guy today with a skunk2, it sounds like a fart can while the full race sounds really good. The stock seats are great! Here's a little trick:
1. Recline seat way back
2. Pull seatbelt tight, then yank to lock it
3. Bring yourself and seat forward into the locked belt
4. Let go of the recline lever on the seat and you're locked in!
Also, aftermarket seats dont have airbags so you'd be putting yourself in danger
How low are you looking to go? I want to go with koni/redshift

[Chrith]

Think i found a good compromise, found a SAABARU 9-2x with the wrx drivetrain, relatively low miles and at a really good price. only problem is its 4 hours from me. asked for some more pictures and details on it, might have to make a road trip this weekend

[Teddy Hartford]

what would you pay for s2k 2002 with 50k or a 2004 s2k with 50k respectively? Prices here seem to be all over the place.

[BlackFA522]

what would you pay for s2k 2002 with 50k or a 2004 s2k with 50k respectively? Prices here seem to be all over the place.

Idk about the AP1s (2000-2003), but i was about to trade for an AP2 (2004-2009).
I saw an 07 certified with 50k for $23k
05 with 46k for $17k
How does it look?
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/7758...-a-used-s2000/
I read through that when i was looking

2000-2003 has 9k rpm redline
2004-2009 has 8k redline
2005-2009 has traction control
Suspension was supposedly tuned for less oversteer in the AP2s
Gearbox is smoother in AP2
AP2 has 2.2L engine w/ more torque, AP1 has 2.0L
Front end, headlights, wheels, taillights, rear bumper, exhaust tips are the exterior differences
I'd personally go with the AP2 unless it was strictly a track car.

[CaboWabo]

I just found my coilovers. I was already interested in the Flyin' Miata VMAXX setup, which was everything (shocks/springs/bumpstops at a decent spring rate), but tonight they just announced an even better version with stiffer spring rates and most importantly, adjustable damping. 500 front with 336 rear spring should be a nice compromise between street/autox duty + NB (99-05) shock mounts all clocks in right at $900. That's as cheap as it'll get for a setup that is actually valved for the spring rates it's running. Any other route Koni Sport/GC, BIlstein HD, Tein, ect would probably be sub par. Time to save up and bite the bullet again, oye.

Luckily for you stock class guys with FWD rear bars just became legal. Used to be you could only change the front bar, which did nothing for you .

[Teddy Hartford]

Idk about the AP1s (2000-2003), but i was about to trade for an AP2 (2004-2009).
I saw an 07 certified with 50k for $23k
05 with 46k for $17k
How does it look?
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/7758...-a-used-s2000/
I read through that when i was looking

2000-2003 has 9k rpm redline
2004-2009 has 8k redline
2005-2009 has traction control
Suspension was supposedly tuned for less oversteer in the AP2s
Gearbox is smoother in AP2
AP2 has 2.2L engine w/ more torque, AP1 has 2.0L
Front end, headlights, wheels, taillights, rear bumper, exhaust tips are the exterior differences
I'd personally go with the AP2 unless it was strictly a track car.

yeah I would obviously prefer an ap2. It just depends how drastic the pricing difference is. Around here I found a very nice condition ap1 2002 with 60k miles for 13k. And the closest price ap2 is a 2004 with 70k for 17k most are more like 20k+.

[CasterTown]

Intake and FP is all you need really for engine, thats what i plan on doing. Sounds amazing and you get all the benefits of FP. I'd go with a full race 3" over a skunk2. I was behind a guy today with a skunk2, it sounds like a fart can while the full race sounds really good. The stock seats are great! Here's a little trick:
1. Recline seat way back
2. Pull seatbelt tight, then yank to lock it
3. Bring yourself and seat forward into the locked belt
4. Let go of the recline lever on the seat and you're locked in!
Also, aftermarket seats dont have airbags so you'd be putting yourself in danger
How low are you looking to go? I want to go with koni/redshift

The koni/redshift combo has my attention. They use neuspeed springs right? I like the sound of huge spring rates in the back.

I like that seat idea! I'll give it a try. Part of the reason I wanted to switch though is also the purported substantial weight savings as well as extra head-room which I would like. I'm considering pulling and plugging the sunroof though which should give me an inch or two. Doing both a seat swap AND the sunroof would have me super set though. Its funny how I can pull the headroom card to justify two substantial weight-loss mods, but I AM really tall, honest

[BlackFA522]

I just found my coilovers. I was already interested in the Flyin' Miata VMAXX setup, which was everything (shocks/springs/bumpstops at a decent spring rate), but tonight they just announced an even better version with stiffer spring rates and most importantly, adjustable damping. 500 front with 336 rear spring should be a nice compromise between street/autox duty + NB (99-05) shock mounts all clocks in right at $900. That's as cheap as it'll get for a setup that is actually valved for the spring rates it's running. Any other route Koni Sport/GC, BIlstein HD, Tein, ect would probably be sub par. Time to save up and bite the bullet again, oye.

Luckily for you stock class guys with FWD rear bars just became legal. Used to be you could only change the front bar, which did nothing for you .

If i could find as good a setup as yours sounds for 900 I'd be on that right away. Yes, its a good thing. Under the limit though, a front bar reduces understeer (but increases once over the limit), but since all of auto-x your close, at or above the limit, a rear bar is better.
I just found a really good setup w/ linear springs (non adjustable but custom rear valving) for 700

yeah I would obviously prefer an ap2. It just depends how drastic the pricing difference is. Around here I found a very nice condition ap1 2002 with 60k miles for 13k. And the closest price ap2 is a 2004 with 70k for 17k most are more like 20k+.

Might be worth the extra 3k, maybe not. But you gotta figure, its that much more to mod the car or save for the next one. I say cheaper ap1

The koni/redshift combo has my attention. They use neuspeed springs right? I like the sound of huge spring rates in the back.

I like that seat idea! I'll give it a try. Part of the reason I wanted to switch though is also the purported substantial weight savings as well as extra head-room which I would like. I'm considering pulling and plugging the sunroof though which should give me an inch or two.

Koni/redshift combo is koni yellows mated to redshifts own coilover sleeve w/ custom rate (or standard 450/550) eibach linear springs. The coilover sleeve is basically the same as ground control except it doesnt fall out when the car is jacked up. They promote neuspeed a lot though, and that might be what i go with. Swift just came out with their spec-R springs which should be great although expensive. Check out redshift drop spring testing thread on 8th for all the rates and stuff.
I might go with the HFP coupe suspension which is 400 shipped on ebay right now and change out the rear dampers (which is the only difference from the sedan hfp ) for custom valved blisteins (280ish)
Definitely give it a try, and how tall are you?

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/intak...upe-sedan.html

[Joey Peters]

[QUOTE=ihaterutgers;1183349]Boo joey slammed on rims (and I'm just going on a limb and assuming you have a nice exhaust prime for a turbo setup) but with no turbo!!?? That would love 7-10PSI with no internal work on the stock tranny depending on your engine management.

[QUOTE=SACTO skim;1182792]

I don't even know what Zues was arguing but I have a feeling its along the lines of "your a contradicting tool". Because you are.


You still don't get the internetz. I don;t hate you your just an arrogant, conceited better then everyone, incredibly materialist type of guy. Also you "work hard for what you have." So what supercar do you own? Seeing as how you clearly have the being a tool part down please enlighten me as to your supercar? Ever worked on anything close to a car, like with tools and such?

No, i do not have an exhaust. Nor do you need to act like a douche bag for no reason. I never claimed anything about speed with my car.. And i do not in any way think that it is fast.