Clean The Wall Day

[SkimDaniel]

Hey for all SD skimmers. The Wall sucks when kelp is everywhere. Especially everytime you look at it. So i thought we should clean the Wall! everyone that cares about the beach should grab nets, cutting tools, BIG trash bags, and underwater goggles. It should be on a day when its low tide and the waves are very small. "Clean The Wall Day"

[SteveTaylor]

i'm pretty sure that shit grows insanely fast. and will be back and be pissed.

[dkenn75]

Yeah, I'd give it a shot, but it'll be back within the next day.

[vicskim76]

good idea, but yeah itll come back quick

[Caboskimer]

it grows about 6 inches in 24 hrs
well we can keep the nets and tools down
there so when ever we go we can clean it up

[Rob G]

everyone who cares about the beach? If you truly cared about the beach and the ocean, you would not cut any kelp. Deal with it, it does a lot more good than bad. You would never see anyyone in SC cutting our kelp forests down. Holy hell this is really hippie of me but honestly, go read up on what the kelp provides for the ocean.

[eastbaysteez]

^^word

[Rob G]

http://life.bio.sunysb.edu/marinebio/kelpforest.html

read up "beach lover".

****Hey ATTENTION ALL SNOWBOARDERS AND SKIIERS!!!!!***

The mountains suck when trees are everywhere. Especially everytime you look at it. So i thought we should clean the mountains! Everyone that cares about the mountains should grab nets, chainsaws, BIG trash bags, and snow goggles. It should be on a day when its clear or the snow is minimal. "Clean The mountain Day"



Honestly guy...you are a bit ignorant

[Rob G]

this is the most hippie thing that i have ever put on skimonline. And I know that I am going to get shit for this...but, honestly, if you were the least bit educated, you would know that "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."

[wardovision]

The kelp at the Wall isn't alive, it's dead and rotting away until the 1st big swell. It washes in there after the kelp cutters harvest the outer reefs in the summer.

[Islandboy]

/\ Yea, but the kid still said,"Bring your cutting tools." I dont know the issue, but like everyone said, you have to know what the negative effects on the environment are.

If you wanna do something, clean up the beach, not the water, or something like that.

[sealice aka lone ranger]

im going to go out on a limb here.......

but im pretty sure that kid was kidding.

[Rob G]

that was quite the limb. I honestly think that this kid is 100% serious.

[kerka]

do you really need your scenery to be photogetic when you skim? honestly

[Islandboy]

im going to go out on a limb here.......

but im pretty sure that kid was kidding.


I doubt it. He's new to the site, and his language seemed pretty serious. He might say that now to get out of it, but thats a different story.

Its not that far-fetched to think that someone would want to clean up some slimy, green kelp thats wrapping around your legs constantly (Just saying). And its not unbelievable for some people to just think its there to be annoying, and just another plant...

[Islandboy]

And actually, I just decided for the hell of it to check his other posts, and in about 3 other threads he talks about how bad the kelp is, and for people to clean the wall...

[narwhal]

Robert you are such a hippie.

[MI_Skim]

"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
haha you sound like my science teacher is that isaac newton or some shit

[shin-n]

do you really need your scenery to be photogetic when you skim? honestly

im not from san diego, but i skimmed the wall before and the scenary isnt the only thing that is affected by kelp.

[sealice aka lone ranger]

that was quite the limb. I honestly think that this kid is 100% serious.


i hear ya, but when people talk about swiming out with nets and cutting devices to get ride of seaweed i dont think i can take them serious

[RexSkimmer]

i dont think he is serious either, not with that title

[Ryon Graf]

Ummm...

I have a more long-term solution to this problem with the kelp and seaweed at the wall... Start killing the seals!

Just kidding... well, about the shooting part... but restoring them to their natural nembers before man arrived would be a goood idea. Start decreasing the sand at the childrens pool, right down the road. If we do that, the seal population will naturally decrease back to what it was before man built that beach. It all has to do with the keystone predator concept. The california sea lion is a keystone predator, which primarily feeds on sea anenomies, which in turn feed on the kelp and seaweed in the surrounding area. More seals = less sea anenomies = more kelp and seaweed that is not eaten by mid summer that winds up dying and drifting into wipeout cove (the wall). I'm all for restoring the balance.

note: the childrens' pool in la jolla is a subject of much regional debate. in the early 20's the Scripps family built a seawall over some reef and created an artificial beach. The local seals' limiting factor in their population had been land surface area. We provided a beach, and as a side effect, their numbers increased, and for the last few decades the childrens pool has been riddled with pollution problems from fecal contamination. In the last 7-10 years, it has been all but closed off. With less people around, the seal population grew even more, and it's even more polluted. Recently, the city counsel voted to allow dredging of the sand at the beach as a measure to do what I outlined above. This has been met by near violent resistance by "animal rights" groups such as Friends of the Seals and others. Dredging of the beach is supported by most of the la jolla community, the city counsel, the local lifeguards, and marine biologists at the nearby University of California, San Diego.

So.... lets dredge the childrens pool. Cleaner water and less dead kelp.

[SDSkim]

amen brotheren

[Rob G]

Ummm...

The california sea lion is a keystone predator, which primarily feeds on sea anenomies, which in turn feed on the kelp and seaweed in the surrounding area. More seals = less sea anenomies = more kelp and seaweed that is not eaten by mid summer that winds up dying and drifting into wipeout cove (the wall). I'm all for restoring the balance.

kelp.


You are soo wrong ryon. http://www.mysticaquarium.org/index.cgi/622 . California Sea lions eat fish, octopus, and squid as their main diet. The Marine mammal that takes care of the sea urchins is the Sea Otter. And when sea otters were heavily hunted for their coats, the sea urchin population rose. Sea Urchins eat kelp, and therefore the kelp forest began to deminish. The balance between sea otters, urchins and kelp is neccisary for things to run smoothy amongst the kelp forest.

Take an intro to Marine Bio class, you will probably learn this the first week. Other than that, you were horribly wrong.

[Rob G]

Ummm...

The california sea lion is a keystone predator, which primarily feeds on sea anenomies, which in turn feed on the kelp and seaweed in the surrounding area. More seals = less sea anenomies = more kelp and seaweed that is not eaten


And one more thing Ryon...which one is it then, seals or sea lions. You know that seals are not seal lions...right?

[Buhda-monk]

yes! Rob G is owning this whack thread.
half these socal kooks don't even know what the fuck a sea otter is.

[Ryon Graf]

Rob, there are both California Harbor Seals and Sea Lions at the Children's Pool. Though the majority of inhabitants are the harbor seals.

And yes, the sea otter is a keystone predator in the pacific northwest and into northern california. Though I'm pretty sure that the seals feed on the mussels and starfish and sea urchins and other animals that feed on the kelp. That is, if I can remember Dr. Hunt's rantings from back in freshman year. It's been a while since I took marine bio.

[Ryon Graf]

On another note, I don't understand where all this hostility is coming from. I can't believe that you guys took this kid seriously.

It's been a running joke in la jolla for years to go and clean up all the (dead) seaweed from the wall. Though the amount of required manpower alone would make it impractical.

Besides, the seaweed (technically its mostly NOT kelp) at the wall is always there this time of year. The first decent northwest swell usually cleans it all out. But sometimes it will actually uproot kelp and bring it in. All those little air bladders are fun to skim on. haha.

[Matt Head]

Rob, there are both California Harbor Seals and Sea Lions at the Children's Pool. Though the majority of inhabitants are the harbor seals.

And yes, the sea otter is a keystone predator in the pacific northwest and into northern california. Though I'm pretty sure that the seals feed on the mussels and starfish and sea urchins and other animals that feed on the kelp. That is, if I can remember Dr. Hunt's rantings from back in freshman year. It's been a while since I took marine bio.

It is not keystone, it is conerstone, also Ryon seals do not feed on urchins, mussels or sea stars.There diet consists mainly of fish, including flounder, herring, cod and hake, but also includes squid.

[Rob G]

Harbor seals diets consist of mainly fish, flownder, herring, cod, hake and squid. Sea Lions eat squid, octopuses, hake, anchovy, and herring. I did find on one site that sea lions would sometimes eat clams, crabs, and abalone but there was never any mention to sea urchins.

However, I did find many numerous sources that prove that the sea otter is the keystone preditor in the kelp forest in ALL of California, including San Diego. If there were not otters there, you would not have any kelp...the urchins would eat it all. So maybe you guys should go kill all of the sea otters if you dont want any more kelp.


Also Ryon, I didnt catch this the first time around but you said:

The california sea lion is a keystone predator, which primarily feeds on sea anenomies, which in turn feed on the kelp and seaweed in the surrounding area.


Sea anemonies are filter feeders. They feed on small planktonic invertebrates, phytoplankton, bacterio-plankton, or other suspended organic matter. Large sea anemones may feed on crabs, bivalves and fishes, but not Kelp.

I think that you got Sea Urchin and Sea Anemonie confused.

[SkimDaniel]

On another note, I don't understand where all this hostility is coming from. I can't believe that you guys took this kid seriously.

It's been a running joke in la jolla for years to go and clean up all the (dead) seaweed from the wall.



THANK YOU.

[Rob G]

It is not keystone, it is conerstone, also Ryon seals do not feed on urchins, mussels or sea stars.There diet consists mainly of fish, including flounder, herring, cod and hake, but also includes squid.

damn you beat me to the diet of seals.

but matt...yes the sea otter is a KEYSTONE PREDATOR.

A keystone species is a species that has a disproportionate effect on its environment relative to its abundance. Such an organism plays a role in its ecosystem that is analogous to the role of a keystone in an arch. While the keystone feels the least pressure of any of the stones in an arch, the arch still collapses without it. Similarly, an ecosystem may experience a dramatic shift if a keystone species is removed, even though that species was a small part of the ecosystem by measures of biomass or productivity. It has become a very popular concept in conservation biology.

that is the definition of keystone preditor, which a sea otter is.
I guess that it is also a "cornerstone species" because it is an important link in the food chain. But Keystone predator is correct.

[Rob G]

THANK YOU.


so was this a joke or are you just playing it off as one? Everyone took you seriously...

must be a "socal" thing

[Matt Head]

I know the def, but I thought for sure it was conerstoner, but now that I see keystone in context It makes sense again.

[SkimDaniel]

so was this a joke or are you just playing it off as one? Everyone took you seriously...

must be a "socal" thing

Yes and No. Yes because alot of skimmers complain that there's ALOT of kelp and we always talk about how we should throw it away. No because it's a TON of kelp and it ruins the fun of the Wall.

thanks again Ryon.

[Rob G]

Yes and No. Yes because alot of skimmers complain that there's ALOT of kelp and we always talk about how we should throw it away. No because it's a TON of kelp and it ruins the fun of the Wall.

thanks again Ryon.


make sure you swallow or ryon will get mad.

And if you didnt get the whole argument here than you are an idiot. Actually, I think I am just going to go ahead and make that assumption.

[Matt Head]

make sure you swallow or ryon will get mad.

And if you didnt get the whole argument here than you are an idiot. Actually, I think I am just going to go ahead and make that assumption.

To assum is to make an ass out of yourself Rob, rember a wise mans thoughts from are dear old freind Walt.

[HandsomeJonneh]

Rob G was born in Georgia, he doesn't know anything about the ocean.

[Rob G]

Rob G was born in Georgia, he doesn't know anything about the ocean.

yea...neither Georgia nor California are oceanic states.

[SkimDaniel]

make sure you swallow or ryon will get mad.

And if you didnt get the whole argument here than you are an idiot. Actually, I think I am just going to go ahead and make that assumption.

have you ever been to the Wall?

[SkimDaniel]

thanks Marc. good stuff.

[MarKilla]

thanks Marc. good stuff.

Thank you! I had to delete it, because I didn't want to confuse the people in Florida and beyond with my crazy antics. But the post will live in our hearts and minds.

[Derek Makekau]

Thank you! I had to delete it, because I didn't want to confuse the people in Florida and beyond with my crazy antics. But the post will live in our hearts and minds.

i doubt people in florida would've had a hard time figuring out that post.

[MarKilla]

I didn't mean it in a derogatory way at all. Just in reference to the other side of the country. This thread is getting pointless and old. Blahhhh.

[Ryon Graf]

However, I did find many numerous sources that prove that the sea otter is the keystone preditor in the kelp forest in ALL of California, including San Diego.

hmmm, like where? In 20 years of living near the ocean in socal, I have never seen a sea otter. As of 1998 their range went from big sur to point conception. We're about 400 miles south of there. Please, read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_otter



If there were not otters there, you would not have any kelp...the urchins would eat it all. So maybe you guys should go kill all of the sea otters if you dont want any more kelp.

We already have no sea otters, Rob. Obviously there is something else keeping them in check...

But seriously, why the argument over marine ecology? Why the hostility? Did we do something to you? Did we do something to offend you? Do you want a hug?

[dkenn75]

Do you want a hug?
Yes, please.:)

[Rob G]

i want more than a hug ryon...

I am sure you know how it is...finals...gets you "hyphy" for lack of a better word

[Scrub]

stupid do do dumb hyphy?

[noah lane]

http://www.silentgroup.com/images/theteam.jpg

[Derek Makekau]

I didn't mean it in a derogatory way at all. Just in reference to the other side of the country. This thread is getting pointless and old. Blahhhh.

ah, i actually wasn't sure which way to take it.

[BART]

i don't think california is suffering from an overabundance of sea otter

pretty sure their numbers were dangerously low a few years ago

i have no idea what eats kelp

[Rob G]

i don't think california is suffering from an overabundance of sea otter

pretty sure their numbers were dangerously low a few years ago

i have no idea what eats kelp


I learned in marine bio that the number of sea otters have risen due to government protection. Their number were dangerously low due to overhunting and poaching. And a lot of things eat kelp, dead and alive, but the main predator of kelp is the sea urchin.

[noah lane]

i have no idea what eats kelp

the japanese!