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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- A newborn baby has died after being attacked by a pit bull at a Jacksonville home Sunday night. Channel 4 spoke with the baby's father on Monday night. The father told us that he and his family are devastated by the loss of their 3-day-old baby boy.
Jacksonville police said they were called to the dog attack at about 10 p.m.
Jacksonville Fire Rescue said the 3-day-old baby was rushed to Shands Jacksonville Medical Center.
The baby's father told Channel 4's news director, Maureen Baker, over the phone that he and his wife left their baby for just a few seconds to use the bathroom. The father said that is when the dog attacked the baby. The father said he and his family are grieving over the tremendous loss of their baby.
The father said the family raised the pit bull since it was a puppy and that the dog never showed any signs of aggression towards anyone in their family. [How many times hve you heard this?]An Animal Control spokesman said animal workers euthanized the red, young pit bull that was brought in Sunday night after it attacked the baby. Police, animal control officials and the Department of Children and Families are all investigating.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/25507007/detail.html
i for one, hate pitbulls. they are nice dogs, but EVERY SINGLE TIME they snap and bite a baby's face off, it's always: "but he was a good dog, never got aggressive before." well now your baby is dead you moron.
LAXitives288
10-26-2010, 07:28 AM
Agreed, theyve had so much retard and hate bred into them for so long. Its like playing russian roulette with someone thats almost guaranteed to be violent and clinically insane.
inb4 blah blah blah I have a pit and its so nice blah blah blah itd never hurt anyone blah blah blah.
Thats fine, im sure most pitbulls that are raised properly and not taught to hate from birth turn out fine, but is it fucking worth it? I can't tell you how many times me or one of my buddies got chased into a tree when we were in elementary school when our neighbor's pit got out, shits scary as fuck. Just because you dont have a child doesn't mean you could maim or kill someone elses child. I dont think I could live with myself if I was directly responsible for a child dying.
Mapdash
10-26-2010, 07:31 AM
I dont believe the dad btw. Rarely if ever does a dog show NO signs of aggression before an attack like that. Doesnt sound right.
edit. wtf is a 'newborn' baby doing within reach of a dog? It had to be on the floor. So mom and dad BOTH go use the bathroom together?
This shit isnt adding up.
LAXitives288
10-26-2010, 07:33 AM
He's probably just denying everything that shouldve been a red flag so he can save himself the terrible realization thats hes responsible for killing his own flesh and fucking blood.
YellowSnow
10-26-2010, 08:31 AM
I have a pitbull and it's so nice.
I don't actually, but I've worked at my local humane society for 2 years. I just take care of dogs that are unwanted and train them so they have a better chance of adoption. About 60% of the dogs there are pitbulls and all of them are so fucked up and angry because of their former owners. Yes, pitbulls are bread to be dangerous, but most of the time it's the owners to turn them into killing machines. The owners only see them as status symbol or whatever rather than a living pet.
sealy
10-26-2010, 08:31 AM
you guys ever raise a dog? we can all make assumptions...like was the dad abusive or mean to the dog and whatever else people above said about parents...can we say MOST people dont know first thing to train or raise a DOG(any dog)..
--assumption if badly treat---
you beat a child the child will be aggressive later in life...you beat a dobberman they will be mean...
how you treat your animal will all depend how they grow up. ofcourse pits get a bad vibe because of the history of way dumb shits raise them...or some dumb shit getting a puppy and thinks they know how to raise a dog...
now if you beat your dog and is not agressive...you still should get bite...
cramikid
10-26-2010, 08:33 AM
A couple days ago in modesto my friend's nanny let their dog (pretty sure it was a pit) out into the front yard and it mauled the next door couple's baby to death on their own front lawn. From what she's told me the nanny didn't know what the dog was doing till it was too late cause it had the baby by the throat. The nanny ended up stabbing it with a BBQ poker but it never let go. The dog was put down, but their neighbors won't even speek to them and they were very close before this.
I wonder if there are laws saying you can't own a pit after something like that?
there are subdivisions that ban certain breeds
LAXitives288
10-26-2010, 08:44 AM
Whether or not the owner intentionally made his dog aggressive, I think we can all agree the owners are dumbasses for leaving a pit bull alone with a 3 day old infant.
creature
10-26-2010, 09:16 AM
Whether or not the owner intentionally made his dog aggressive, I think we can all agree the owners are dumbasses for leaving a pit bull alone with a 3 day old infant.
+1 good point
SkimNate
10-26-2010, 09:22 AM
The point is, no matter how nice a pitbull is, its still bred to be very dangerous, so its has the tools to injure or kill someone/thing.
Even if yours is the nicest dog ever, when provoked, most dogs will defend themselves. Its a risk and more importantly a big responsibility which is the problem with a lot of dog owners to begin with.
LAXitives288
10-26-2010, 10:09 AM
With his parents, he was gonna die anyway.
the neg rep i got: "hate the parents not the dog. -Fish"
did you not read any of this thread, moron?
Can dogs tell if babies are human? Maybe it was hungry and thought of the infant as food...
Teddy Parker
10-26-2010, 11:16 AM
I LOVE pitbulls. That's weird though. They were probably not good owners either because they didn't know he was child-aggressive which is a possibility, or they thought he wasn't aggressive just because they didn't pay that much attention, like 90% of dog owners i see. Or the dog's just insane. If people can be insane so can dogs, right?
hondarider525
10-26-2010, 11:41 AM
Yeah the issue here is that those dogs are bred to be strong, aggressive dogs. Raising a dog obviously plays a huge part in whether or not a dog actually acts aggressive, but its also a dog. It isnt a human and it doesnt understand everything. The baby could have stuck its finger in the dogs nose and thats enough of a misunderstanding for the dog to freak out. Moral of the story dont leave the baby alone with the dog.
waddsworth
10-26-2010, 11:44 AM
I dont believe the dad btw. Rarely if ever does a dog show NO signs of aggression before an attack like that. Doesnt sound right.
edit. wtf is a 'newborn' baby doing within reach of a dog? It had to be on the floor. So mom and dad BOTH go use the bathroom together?
This shit isnt adding up.
I noticed that about the bathroom thing too, but thought that the mom may still be recovering from the birth and needed assistance. But its f**ked that they would leave a 3 day old child alone with any kind of animal, be it a cat or a Yellow Lab. Come to think of it, its pretty weird to think they’d leave it alone at all. Most of my new-parent friends are obsessive for the first week or so and don’t let their kid out of sight for even a second.
As for the pit aspect, it always seems to be the case that the initial response of the owner is, “He’s never been aggressive before!” Then a week later a neighbor comes forward with information about the animal having a history of bites/aggression.
APBT’s are a breed that requires a responsible, disciplined owner dedicated to proper dog training methods (ie, not screaming and hitting). Unfortunately, the majority of people attracted to the breed are scumbag wannbe thugs who are the complete antithesis of responsible and disciplined.
you guys dont understand what effect BREEDING has on the dogs disposition. That is my main issue with the people who say "they're not mean if you raise them form a babyyyyy." it doesnt matter if you have had them from the second they pop out- there are genetic differences that determine dog's tempers. Breeders look fro certain qualities. It's very possible that the best looking dog also could be the meanest. generations and generations of dogs can make them genetically different from one another.
case in point- my great dane is a pussy. he is a big fat vagina. when he plays with stuffed anmals or whatever, he shakes it in his mouth and then stomps on it with his two front paws. it is fucking retarded so i researched it. Apparently, great danes used to be hunting dogs and thats how they were trained to hunt rabbits and small game.... how "nice" your dog is has absolutely no effect on how it's brain is wired.
man, i am getting too fired up over this shit
sealice aka lone ranger
10-26-2010, 12:33 PM
rationalizing pitbulls ftl
LAXitives288
10-26-2010, 12:42 PM
Tried to rep you sealice, maybe later, if I remember and I have time.
Jake is right, some breeds are bred to fetch/retrieve in the water, some are bred to flush out game, some a bred to chase game into holes/burrows, you dont have to teach them how to do any of this, theyre wired for it from the factory. Except unlike Golden Retrievers, Spanials and Terriers, Pits come prewired to murder babies.
waddsworth
10-26-2010, 12:45 PM
you guys dont understand what effect BREEDING has on the dogs disposition. That is my main issue with the people who say "they're not mean if you raise them form a babyyyyy." it doesnt matter if you have had them from the second they pop out- there are genetic differences that determine dog's tempers. Breeders look fro certain qualities. It's very possible that the best looking dog also could be the meanest. generations and generations of dogs can make them genetically different from one another.
case in point- my great dane is a pussy. he is a big fat vagina. when he plays with stuffed anmals or whatever, he shakes it in his mouth and then stomps on it with his two front paws. it is fucking retarded so i researched it. Apparently, great danes used to be hunting dogs and thats how they were trained to hunt rabbits and small game.... how "nice" your dog is has absolutely no effect on how it's brain is wired.
man, i am getting too fired up over this shit
Speaking of breeding, if the dog is over 75 lbs. it is NOT a pure pit. If it is blue in color, it is not a pure pit. Somewhere along the line it was crossed with another breed for size or color - likely with no regard for temperament.
Anyways... if you put faith in the ability to selectively breed for aggression, than you must recognize the fact that pits were selectively bred for generations spanning decades to NOT be aggressive towards humans. They had to be able to be handled in the ring, in the heat of battle, without biting either their handler, or the other dog's, intentionally or otherwise.
waddsworth
10-26-2010, 12:49 PM
Except unlike Golden Retrievers, Spanials and Terriers, Pits come prewired to murder babies.
Except pits ARE terriers.
it really seems like the baby is at fault here. I mean what was that baby doing around a pit bull, looking all tasty like that?
LAXitives288
10-26-2010, 12:54 PM
He was asking for it. He wouldnt have dressed like that if he didnt want to get eaten.
Except pits ARE terriers.
Tevs, I never claimed to be an expert on the dog breed family tree.
Colon
10-26-2010, 12:57 PM
God damnit Jake, I just saw this story and was going to post it like this:
Title: Pitbull Saves Family
Body: From 4 day old newborn!
Carry on.
please just make it anyway so I can lol again
MaStEr IrOc
10-26-2010, 02:09 PM
pits are really good dogs when raised right. this dog probably wasnt raised right and hes just denying it. ive been around pits all my life and never been attacked or anything like that. some of the most loving animals ive ever been around, just some get abused.
lil chuck
10-26-2010, 02:52 PM
i have a 15 week old german shepherd and im sure she would accidentally kill a 4 day old baby if i was dumb enough to leave one where she could play with it. The dog doesnt know it's a baby, they should of euthenized the dumb parents instead of the dog.
skimiks
10-26-2010, 03:26 PM
stupid parenting+stupid dog=tragedy
bottom line. dont leave your fucking baby next to the lighted fireworks.....
Colin Tracy
10-26-2010, 05:27 PM
when he plays with stuffed anmals or whatever, he shakes it in his mouth and then stomps on it with his two front paws. it is fucking retarded so i researched it. Apparently, great danes used to be hunting dogs and thats how they were trained to hunt rabbits and small game....
stuffed animals=3 day old baby wrapped in blanket.
Also, breed=race. You sir. are a dog racist.
lucasskim
10-26-2010, 05:36 PM
The father said the family raised the pit bull since it was a puppy and that the dog never showed any signs of aggression towards anyone in their family. [How many times hve you heard this?]
yeah that pisses me off
beachbum
10-26-2010, 05:42 PM
Its not the damn dogs fault.
It was either a) trained and disciplined poorly by the parents or b) a good dog and the parents are idiots anyways.
but either way...even it was a fucking cuddly labrador puppy, you dont leave your 3 DAY OLD child alone. The guy probably said "oh hell be fine..."...went to the bathroom...and then found shreds of baby in his living room.
Chrissy
10-26-2010, 05:47 PM
It's so irresponsible on the parent's part too. Who leaves a 3 day old baby unattended, in the first place. What makes it even worse was that it was with a pit bull! Most people get rid of dog's before they have a family because they dog can become jealous. These parents are not fit to have children
Its not the damn dogs fault.
It was either a) trained and disciplined poorly by the parents or b) a good dog and the parents are idiots anyways.
but either way...even it was a fucking cuddly labrador puppy, you dont leave your 3 DAY OLD child alone. The guy probably said "oh hell be fine..."...went to the bathroom...and then found shreds of baby in his living room.
it isnt the dogs fault, it's the breed's fault.
and i am a dog racist. no shame.
lil chuck
10-26-2010, 06:04 PM
Its not the damn dogs fault.
It was either a) trained and disciplined poorly by the parents or b) a good dog and the parents are idiots anyways.
but either way...even it was a fucking cuddly labrador puppy, you dont leave your 3 DAY OLD child alone. The guy probably said "oh hell be fine..."...went to the bathroom...and then found shreds of baby in his living room.
google it and you will find an article about a 6 week old black lab killing an infant. I guess they are bred to retrieve dead infants.
lil chuck
10-26-2010, 06:07 PM
it isnt the dogs fault, it's the breed's fault.
and i am a dog racist. no shame.
i guess years on inbreeding within your family has made you retarded. It's not your fault it's your family's fault.
"Skeet"
10-26-2010, 06:15 PM
I have two pitbulls and I would never leave them alone with a newborn haha. It's really fucking stupid to leave a newborn around any kind of animal, especially ones that can inhale a squirrel
RUM_RUNNER
10-26-2010, 06:59 PM
Anything that is abused or mistreated will eventually do bad things. Look at a majority of the prison population
Michael Fk
10-26-2010, 07:00 PM
That's my city reppin. We talked about this in my debate class. Fuck mean dogs
"Skeet"
10-26-2010, 07:01 PM
I don't mistreat my pitbulls at all but whenever a cat gets in my backyard, I can see the insanity in their eyes. It's just their nature, and i won't argue that so yeah
i guess years on inbreeding within your family has made you retarded. It's not your fault it's your family's fault.
a classic, pitbull loving idiot comeback. dont address the problem, resort to personal attacks.
i bet your pitbull has a big chain around his neck you idiot
oatmeal
10-26-2010, 07:14 PM
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/toastedskimer515/pit-boss1.jpg
if they can do it.....
melogold
10-26-2010, 10:50 PM
I didn't even read this thread, but pitbulls are absolutely not the scum of the earth. terrible, redneck hick owners of pitbulls are the reason you seem to think that pitbulls are the "scum of the earth".OP is ignorant
SkimNate
10-26-2010, 11:32 PM
when someone starts off with "I didn't even read the thread" I want to auto-neg...
but not you melo, you're cool with me ;)
lil chuck
10-27-2010, 06:01 AM
a classic, pitbull loving idiot comeback. dont address the problem, resort to personal attacks.
i bet your pitbull has a big chain around his neck you idiot
no, you're just not seeing the real problem. the dumb ass parents left an infant in a room with a large animal with sharp teeth. Im sure you didnt read the post where i said a 6 week black lab killed an infant, i guess they are bred to be agressive too. On the first page i say i have a German Shepherd dumbfuck and she has a pink collar.
Jim Gordon
10-27-2010, 08:13 AM
Did anyone read this, he said his dog never showed signs of aggression toward anyone in their family. But what about people that are not in their family?
The father said the family raised the pit bull since it was a puppy and that the dog never showed any signs of aggression towards anyone in their family.
Teddy Parker
10-27-2010, 11:21 AM
I love when people feel they have a really great opinion, skip reading anything in the thread, and just post. I'd say we have established that pits are naturally bad dogs, but can be good, especially when raised in a healthy, loving atmosphere. Sooo... Hmph. No need to repeat those words. How about we let Colon start his thread and start all over?
no, you're just not seeing the real problem. the dumb ass parents left an infant in a room with a large animal with sharp teeth. Im sure you didnt read the post where i said a 6 week black lab killed an infant, i guess they are bred to be agressive too. On the first page i say i have a German Shepherd dumbfuck and she has a pink collar.
i dont care about other breeds of dogs. im sure somewhere, a chihuahua or weiner dog has killed a baby. we have all established that dogs get jealous, think babies are toys, ect... what im saying is 9 times out of 10, the baby mauling dog is a pit or mixed breed.
youre a fucking moron chuck. im over you.
i dont care what anyones opinions are on the environment these dogs lived in. these dogs are bred retarded and bred according to strength and size. they are demon dogs. i hate to say this, but for all you idiots that say your dog is not like that... one day, you or someone you love will get mauled by your precious little pit.
i love how all the pitbull lovers go straight for name-calling attacks. if someone can sit here and debate like an adult, i would love to. but unfortunately all ya'll can do is go straight for the inbred, redneck comments. ironic, dontcha think?
hondarider525
10-27-2010, 12:28 PM
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q40/hondarider525/pit.png
"Skeet"
10-27-2010, 01:01 PM
that is definitely Scud from Toy Story
waddsworth
10-27-2010, 01:03 PM
dont care what anyones opinions are on the environment these dogs lived in. these dogs are bred retarded and bred according to strength and size. they are demon dogs. i hate to say this, but for all you idiots that say your dog is not like that... one day, you or someone you love will get mauled by your precious little pit.
i love how all the pitbull lovers go straight for name-calling attacks. if someone can sit here and debate like an adult, i would love to. but unfortunately all ya'll can do is go straight for the inbred, redneck comments. ironic, dontcha think?
Environmental factors absolutely play a role. You have to be clueless to suggest otherwise. As for your breeding comments, some pitbull breeders breed for strength and size over temperament. And think about the market these breeders are breeding for. Ever heard of an American Staffordshire Terrier? They are the AKC registered American Pit Bull Terrier. They maintain the 65 lb average weight for males, as well as sound temperament - because they are breeding for a market that is interested in maintaining all the positives the breed brings to the table.
DEskim
10-27-2010, 02:55 PM
Did anyone read this, he said his dog never showed signs of aggression toward anyone in their family. But what about people that are not in their family?
The father said the family raised the pit bull since it was a puppy and that the dog never showed any signs of aggression towards anyone in their family.
exactly. all dogs would be pissed if suddenly it wasn't getting any attention from the only people that ever gave it any. the dog never recognized the baby as a part of its family. all of my pets still like my dad the best because he was always the one that rescued them from the shelter, not because he treats them any better, it's just because animals are mad loyal. so when the dog had its chance it took what it thought was a threat and got rid of it.
lil chuck
10-27-2010, 05:02 PM
exactly. all dogs would be pissed if suddenly it wasn't getting any attention from the only people that ever gave it any. the dog never recognized the baby as a part of its family. all of my pets still like my dad the best because he was always the one that rescued them from the shelter, not because he treats them any better, it's just because animals are mad loyal. so when the dog had its chance it took what it thought was a threat and got rid of it.
but its a pit bull and expert jake says if 10 babies are placed in front of 10 different pit bulls then only one baby will survive. Like a little baby gauntlet!! 10 babies enter 1 baby leaves
lil chuck
10-27-2010, 05:11 PM
i dont care about other breeds of dogs. im sure somewhere, a chihuahua or weiner dog has killed a baby. we have all established that dogs get jealous, think babies are toys, ect... what im saying is 9 times out of 10, the baby mauling dog is a pit or mixed breed.
this is you being ignorant, maybe just maybe, the news makes a big deal about a pit bull doing it because shitheads like you think pit bulls are some horrible breed just because shiity humans tend to own them because they are muscular breed and then those shitty humans abuse the dog and make it agressive..which is what would happen with any type of dog.
youre a fucking moron chuck. im over you.
thats not very adult like
i dont care what anyones opinions are on the environment these dogs lived in. these dogs are bred retarded and bred according to strength and size. they are demon dogs. i hate to say this, but for all you idiots that say your dog is not like that... one day, you or someone you love will get mauled by your precious little pit.
if they are so dumb then how di that guy train it so well to do parkour?
i love how all the pitbull lovers go straight for name-calling attacks. if someone can sit here and debate like an adult, i would love to. but unfortunately all ya'll can do is go straight for the inbred, redneck comments. ironic, dontcha think?
If you want to debate like an adult you should actually consider other peoples opinions not just say "i dont care about anyones opinions..."
now go fuck your sister
tommygallagher
10-27-2010, 05:16 PM
tags?
lil chuck
10-27-2010, 05:22 PM
im ashamed to say that none of those are mine :(
RUM_RUNNER
10-27-2010, 05:25 PM
exactly. all dogs would be pissed if suddenly it wasn't getting any attention from the only people that ever gave it any. the dog never recognized the baby as a part of its family. all of my pets still like my dad the best because he was always the one that rescued them from the shelter, not because he treats them any better, it's just because animals are mad loyal. so when the dog had its chance it took what it thought was a threat and got rid of it.
English Bull Dogs are notorious for protecting children.
Skimaginary
10-27-2010, 05:38 PM
My Pitbull was perfectly trained, gentle and loved. I had him in training school from a puppy til a year old. He was an amazingly well behaved dog, but when I had my daughter I gave him away. I would never risk this with my family.
lil chuck
10-27-2010, 05:46 PM
Those who wish to label these breeds as “dangerous” are often quick to insist that the dogfighting aspect of their history somehow means that they are inclined to “fight” humans. This is simply wrong. A central fact of pit bulls’ history is that their lineage actually makes them less inclined to be aggressive toward humans. For over 160 years, they have been systematically
bred away from human aggressiveness. As Malcolm Gladwell (author of The Tipping Point, Blink and Outliers) explains in an article published in The New Yorker in 2006:
Pit bulls were not bred to fight humans. On the contrary: a dog that went after spectators, or its handler, or the trainer, or any of the other people involved in making a dogfighting dog a good dogfighter was usually put down. (The rule in the pit-bull world was "Man-eaters die.")
sealice aka lone ranger
10-27-2010, 06:13 PM
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9y4jprDps1qd0hplo1_500.png
lil chuck
10-27-2010, 06:17 PM
relevant and funny=epic
sealice aka lone ranger
10-27-2010, 06:25 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l984sr82wo1qd0hplo1_500.jpg
penguinofsleep
10-27-2010, 07:54 PM
looks like there is no cure for stupid yet... seriously leave a baby with any large dog?
that being said, this single female lawyer who lives on my street a few houses down used to have these 2 big pits (of course, single female lawyer, you know, just incase one of the people you locked up decides to visit, very logical, no problem there), really loud dogs, but apparently very well trained.
one day they got out of the house on accident and went around terrorizing most of my neighborhood (at the time most of the kids in my neighborhood were all really young). then tried attacking me next door neighbor's dog but then saw my cousins (my age, older) who were just about to go inside at the time. they were about to jump one of my cousins who had just opened the garage door when my dad came out with the sig and just as they were about to be put down, the lady shows up, dogs lay off immediately upon her command (weird i know), she profusely apologizes, and even now several years later, so many people got so mad at her she doesn't really come outside anymore (where as we would see her around in the neighborhood before).
so point being, very well trained dogs that were that close to ripping my cousins face off.
waddsworth
10-28-2010, 07:24 AM
looks like there is no cure for stupid yet... seriously leave a baby with any large dog?
that being said, this single female lawyer who lives on my street a few houses down used to have these 2 big pits (of course, single female lawyer, you know, just incase one of the people you locked up decides to visit, very logical, no problem there), really loud dogs, but apparently very well trained.
one day they got out of the house on accident and went around terrorizing most of my neighborhood (at the time most of the kids in my neighborhood were all really young). then tried attacking me next door neighbor's dog but then saw my cousins (my age, older) who were just about to go inside at the time. they were about to jump one of my cousins who had just opened the garage door when my dad came out with the sig and just as they were about to be put down, the lady shows up, dogs lay off immediately upon her command (weird i know), she profusely apologizes, and even now several years later, so many people got so mad at her she doesn't really come outside anymore (where as we would see her around in the neighborhood before).
so point being, very well trained dogs that were that close to ripping my cousins face off.
Not to discount your story at all, but often times, especially with pits, people instantly assume that if the dog is approaching them, it is intent on causing harm. Not that they shouldn't be careful, or trust a strange dog, but it usually leads to an overly dramatic retelling of a pretty uneventful situation. Pits are hyper, affectionate, and curious. If they get out (which shouldn't happen) they will run around, trying to meet every single person they see (this isn't unusual for most breeds), and their normal greeting is to jump up and lick (again, many breeds do this). If you aren't a dog person, or are wary of pits, this can seem like a very threatening situation. Not to say this is the case in your story, but it seems as though there was ample opportunity for serious damage to be done, and if there was, you would have mentioned it. But more often than not, a Labs running, jumping and licking is a pits terrorizing, attacking and biting.
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