ghosts

[skimnczach]

Who here believes in ghosts and could you somehow explain to me why you believe in them and any evidence that can be shown of their existance?

The reason I ask is that a few of my friends 'claim' to have recent experiences with ghosts yet I find the stories highly unbelievable and just figments of their imaginations. Even one person who was accompanying them when they had one of these 'sightings' said that it was unlikely to of been a ghosts. Yet the remainder of my friends are convinced.

I'm just looking for one good reason why I should believe in their story / ghosts even an epsilon.

[Tear Down Your Idols]

Ghostbusters?????????

[steve-o]

i'd say it depends on how big your imagination is. but on the other hand you never know.

[Richard]

i have to look, but i've got a picture of a friend of mine and the moment the picture was taken nothing was wrong, but if you look at the pisture there's someone behind her, that wasn't originally there.

there's a small chance i have it on my pc , cause my harddrive recently creashed, but i'm sure the friend of me that took the picture still has it.

[idrathrbskimmin]

dude a really good show to watch if you like ghost stuff is Ghost Hunters on Scifi. It is really good. New episodes are Wendesday at around 6ish

[jake]

i believe in ghosts because in my grandma's old house, a lady had died on the living room floor, and whenever you slept there you could never get comfortable. also. one night i had set up this sick blanket fort thing when i was like 5 and was sleeping when somehting started pulling my teddy bear. noone was around. it was crazyyy. i remeeber sean stevens had some crazy ass things happen to him when this topic came up before.

[veniceskim4]

I believe in ghost because my Mom and I and my Dad and I have been walking our dog on calm nights and occasionly our swing out front just starts rocking back and forth like someone's on it but it will suddenly just completely stop. It's really wierd and I have seen it about three times in the past two years. When it happens I don't feel uncomfortable though.

Skimnc whats the story your friends told you?

[sealice aka lone ranger]

heres the short explination, im sure somone else that has read up on it can elaborate.


scientist now think time moves in an orbital pattern like a figure eight, instead of time moving in a linear pattern. initial time originating at the source of the big bang, and then bending out and returning back to the point of origin.

some people think that during certain solar anomolies the two bands of "time" can bend together.

so my point is that when people think they see a ghost what they really are seeing is fragments or images of time from the paralell band of time.

anyone else heard this theory?

[lunarone]

wow, that theory really sounds amazing, and now that you said that I am really going to try to find out more about that, i love hearing about shit like that. no joke. thats flippin sweet.

[HandsomeJonneh]

cause you touch yourself at night

[sealice aka lone ranger]

yea i really want to read up on it, but the proffesor i was talknig to said to really understand it, you have to know the math...and i was like duhhhhhhhhh dee dee deeeeeeeeeee

[Dzan]

There is not one bit of proof to support the idea that ghosts exist. End of story.

[sealice aka lone ranger]

and theres no proof to say they dont exist either.

touche

[lunarone]

what is the theory called, sea lice?

[sealice aka lone ranger]

it has somthing to do with advanced physics

[sealice aka lone ranger]

quantum physics

[idrathrbskimmin]

that sounds so awesome.. the story not the quantum physics part

[Dzan]

and theres no proof to say they dont exist either.

touche

Ummm, the burden of proof is on people making the claim, not on the person who questions it.

[didj prophet]

and theres no proof to say they dont exist either.

touche

you can't really call out touche on your own comment, it kind of loses its impact

and what is it like to live in clearwater? have the schools made dianetics required reading yet?

[sealice aka lone ranger]

go fuck yourself?

[Utah]

weather or not it can be proven, I don't care. I still believe in them. I still remeber like it was yesterday the time I saw what I believe to be a ghost. I was three years old and it was Easter Morning. I lived in Vermont with my parents. The house we owned was a huge victorian style house that used to be a funeral home parlor. Where they used to "prepare" the bodies was a super long rectangular room, so naturally that room became our huge walk through pantry. But anyways, thats not important. What is imporant is that on Easter Sunday I woke up and ran down the wooden hallway into my parents room. My goal was to wake them up so that we could go downstairs and I could get my Easter Basket. I was told the night before not to get my basket without my parents. So I burst through my parents door which was shut, but not latched, just sort of barely closed. And when I came running into their room I clearly saw my mom's rain coat, which was sort of like a long trench coat flying across the room. Both of my parents were still asleep in bed. This scared me so bad that I ran as fast as I could and jumped into my parents and hid between the two of them with my face burried into the pillows. I'm sure I would have been under the covers if I could have figured out a way to get under them without wasting too much time. As a result of myself jumping into their bed my parents naturally woke up. They of course did not see the flying coat.

Everyone I tell this story too says, "Ah, you were just a little kid with a big imagination". Bullshit, I was a little kid, but that was no imagination. When I entered into that room my only thoughts were of chocolate bunnies and jelly beans. Once I entered that room i completely forgot all about those. I can still clearly see the image in my head of that coat floating across the room...

[didj prophet]

go fuck yourself?

hahaha, wtf? was that in response to me calling you out on the misuse of touche or because i asked about clearwater? because that was a serious question, im interested to know what it is like in a town infested with scientology

chill out?

[skimnczach]

Well my friends are claiming these ghosts to be haunting them and things around them, i'm curious as to what everyone thinks of this?

I really do not see any evidence to prove or disprove the part of a ghost.

I think that people see something odd and then their imagination flows. My friends claim they saw the same thing and such, all 3 or 4 of them. You know how when a person laughs at his own joke therefore everyone else laughs with him... I think that is what is happening here. Plus these friends of mine are known to exagerate, it's just flustering me why they are so fervently following this most likely false belief.

Oh well, it's like religion, we'll never know.

[skimnczach]

ps. didj prophet i thought it was hilarious

[idrathrbskimmin]

And when I came running into their room I clearly saw my mom's rain coat, which was sort of like a long trench coat flying across the room.

that is really scary. That must have like "scared you for life". i know it sounds cliche but that is crazy

[Utah]

that is really scary. That must have like "scared you for life". i know it sounds cliche but that is crazy

I don't think it "scared" me, but I still can see that image in my head as I write this, and I'm 26 years old. That was 23 fuckin years ago and I can still clearly see it like it was yesterday...

[sealice aka lone ranger]

sientology has nothing to do with the school system, and my use to touche was mearly in humor. i dont really care about the topic, i was joking around. but that subject about quantum physics and ghosts is pretty interesting

[sealice aka lone ranger]

by the way im catholic

[Blak_skimmer220]

zachary, u and ur vast voculary.

[doug]

john you are scared of raincoats what a pansy

[didj prophet]

sientology has nothing to do with the school system, and my use to touche was mearly in humor. i dont really care about the topic, i was joking around. but that subject about quantum physics and ghosts is pretty interesting

yeah, the dianetics in school thing was a joke, alluding to the prevelance of scientology in that town, so i guess we were both joking, huzzah

on the subject of ghosts, i believe that the majority of "ghost sightings" tend to be optical illusions, people believe what they see, and many people dont realize that our brains are basically just very complex computers and our eyes are very advanced cameras, and sometimes they get glitches, our senses are not infallible

but obviously a coat floating around a room is not a minor sensory glitch, which is why i say majority, there are instances out there that have yet to be explained, although i dont think that lack of an explanation is proof of the supernatural

[doug]

ooooo the flying raincoat is out to get me cause im john and raincoats beat me up

[Utah]

ooooo the flying raincoat is out to get me cause im john and raincoats beat me up

Psst, Harrison Ford takes it in the pooper... I know toothless woman who are more man than he is...

[sealice aka lone ranger]

yeah, the dianetics in school thing was a joke, alluding to the prevelance of scientology in that town, so i guess we were both joking, huzzah

on the subject of ghosts, i believe that the majority of "ghost sightings" tend to be optical illusions, people believe what they see, and many people dont realize that our brains are basically just very complex computers and our eyes are very advanced cameras, and sometimes they get glitches, our senses are not infallible

but obviously a coat floating around a room is not a minor sensory glitch, which is why i say majority, there are instances out there that have yet to be explained, although i dont think that lack of an explanation is proof of the supernatural

yea that makes sense. but there are some weird things that happen, that multiple people have experienced without having prior knowledge which creeps me out.

i dont know though man, i just keep an open mind on the subject.

[Max Shapiro]

if your asking this question you have to ask is the mind seperate from the body, because thats the only way you could have ghosts. Personally i belive the mind is seperate from the body and that there is such things as ghosts. There is no "scientific" proof that they exist, but ive read some major works of philosophy that can be used to prove they exist through other means.

[ZapBulletRider]

technically you can't prove anything except by scientific means. Anything else is metaphysical and it's up to you to have faith that it exists. I personally believe in ghosts.

[Dzan]

There is no "scientific" proof that they exist, but ive read some major works of philosophy that can be used to prove they exist through other means.

Just for my own entertainment, please list three of these "major works" of philosophy.

[Max Shapiro]

Descartes-Mediations, Plato-The Republic (I think, cant remember if his theory on forms was in that book or another) Hume An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding

hope your entertained

[ZapBulletRider]

my entertained what?

[Max Shapiro]

oh yeah
logic + human experience > science

[Dzan]

Descartes-Mediations, Plato-The Republic (I think, cant remember if his theory on forms was in that book or another) Hume An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding

hope your entertained

None of those works are concerned with ghosts or poltergeists.

[Dzan]

oh yeah
logic + human experience > science

Science + logic > personal anecdotes

[Max Shapiro]

all of those works have stuff to do with mind body connection, inate ideas, forms, and like i said they could be used to prove the existence of "ghosts." Like if you belive the mind and body are seperate entities, though intertwined, you could say the mind lives on after the body and that the essence of a person remains after their body dies, which is what you could say ghosts are. Id right something more coherent and detailed if you want.

[Max Shapiro]

regardless of what science tells us is impossible, if someone experiences it then its possible, if you can come to the conclusion that ghosts can exists through reasoning and logic then would that not prove they could exist. There is no scientific evidence of god, but if youve read Mediations he proves his existence through logic and reasoning, cartesian geneisis if you wanted to read about it.

[Dzan]

all of those works have stuff to do with mind body connection, inate ideas, forms, and like i said they could be used to prove the existence of "ghosts." Like if you belive the mind and body are seperate entities, though intertwined, you could say the mind lives on after the body and that the essence of a person remains after their body dies, which is what you could say ghosts are. Id right something more coherent and detailed if you want.

What you are saying is you read some books that deal with the soul and you PERSONALLY extrapolated from them that ghosts exist. Those books don't intend to prove ghosts exist, nor do they try, nor were the authors the least bit concerned with it. The fact you make absurd conclusions based on them has more to do with you than it does with them.

[Dzan]

regardless of what science tells us is impossible, if someone experiences it then its possible, if you can come to the conclusion that ghosts can exists through reasoning and logic then would that not prove they could exist. There is no scientific evidence of god, but if youve read Mediations he proves his existence through logic and reasoning, cartesian geneisis if you wanted to read about it.

Except that personal experience is flawed. Peoples' senses fail them and their memories aren't perfect. Add to that when people see things that they don't understand, they rationalize it according to their societal norms.

Your claim to using logic is pretty flawed, since you have no objective observation or data set to start from and thus any conclusion you reach is purely inductive, and thus practically useless.

As far as what Hume "proves", you are quite wrong. He proves nothing. A better phrase to use would be "Hume concludes to his own satisfaction that God exists." For every philosopher that "proves" God exists there is another who "proves" that God doesn't exist. If you are satisfied with one philosopher's conclusion, thats fine, but don't try to say that it's an objective truth when it's nothing of the sort.

Could ghosts exist? Possibly. Is it likely? No. There are hardcore ghost believers who spend every waking moment searching for one shred of scientific proof that ghosts exist and each day that passes without them finding it makes it less and less likely to ever be found.

[OtotheZ]

it depends on how many magic mushrooms you consumed

[ZapBulletRider]

um, I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure I know more about and have had more to do with ghosts than you

[Chrith]

hahahah oh that max. he should get a sitcom in which he and dzan live together and get in a predicament every week. it would be ever so delightful

[Blak_skimmer220]

ha
flashback

[Dzan]

hahahah oh that max. he should get a sitcom in which he and dzan live together and get in a predicament every week. it would be ever so delightful

They already made that show, its called The Weakest Link. Except Max would be eliminated in teh first episode and that would be that.

[skimnczach]

zachary, u and ur vast voculary.
I only said one big word. You blacky and your miniscule vocabulary.


Science + logic > personal anecdotes
Haha i was about to post that exact thing. Damn you.

I personally believe that "ghosts" are simply what people use as an explanation for something strange happening that could of been explained logically, just they are both seeking attention and trying to find a solution (an irate one at that).

Plus when people are actually searching for ghosts (such as on the tv show) one strange thing that could most definitely and almost positively be explained logically they freak out over and claim that John Doe has come back for revenge.

[ZapBulletRider]

"I heard footsteps coming down the stairs!!!"

that was your cameraman, jackass

[dEUZ]

"...i see dead people..."

[idrathrbskimmin]

or "...i see white people.." from Undercover Brother

[skimmer-x]

Ghosts are real. So lick my anus.

[skimmer-x]

26Look at this ghost.

[ZapBulletRider]

I....I hitcha ta night? I..I'm sorry, Charlie. COME HERE DARKNESS!

IT'S A CELEBRATIONNNNN!! It's a celebration, bitches. Show Charlie Murphy ya titties.. AH-AH-AH-Ah... THE MILK'S GONE BAAAADD!!!