View Full Version : Not cool Allyance not cool (also, Aaron Peluso responds on page 9)
Gunstock
08-02-2006, 03:30 PM
Sorry guys. Its my fault. Ill take the blame.
Walruz996
08-02-2006, 03:32 PM
Way to take one for the team gunstock!
Sorry guys. Its my fault. Ill take the blame.
It's ok, we will forgive you right after we give you 40 lashes.
waddsworth
08-02-2006, 04:22 PM
Vic76,
I understand that "The Vic" became a huge drain on Victoria's resources, but if it were that big of a problem, perhaps Victoria should have let the contest go to shit. By stepping in and bailing the contest out, Victoria has now sent the message that, if necessary, it will keep on doing so - which may make it even harder to "lessen the load" in the future.
It also doesn't speak very highly of Allyance or Victoria that for an event as large as the World Championship (at least to the skim community), responsibilities were not clearly defined well in advance.
I am also not buying the picture of Allyance being a "skim charity", or any skim company for that matter. When and if the sport of skimboarding gains the recognition its capable of the companies that have been putting forth the greatest effort will be the first in line to get paid.
Sorry if I sound harsh... I do appreciate all the effort companies have put into the industry to make it what it is today, but that doesn't make them immune from criticism.
Aaron Peluso
08-02-2006, 04:48 PM
I understand someone was making accusations against me and then deleted their post? Way to go on standing by what you say. Thankfully someone pm'ed me saying they have the original post. I will respond to anything that attacks me as soon as I see it. I have absolutely nothing to hide and am literally chuckling right now at the idea that I do.
I havent deleted not otherwise moderated anything in this post. I have been at work all day.
Pack A Bowl
08-02-2006, 04:57 PM
Dun dun dun! another turn of events.. so much drama in the lpc it's kinda hard bein soop d-o-double g
PETE AA
08-02-2006, 05:08 PM
drama in laguna beach ? no way !!! isnt there a tv show based on that ??
Teddy Parker
08-02-2006, 05:09 PM
Anyways, why couldn't Allyance get the permits??
VeeEyeSee
08-02-2006, 05:30 PM
guys, everthings gonna be okay, i got peluso's back
J. Saunders
08-02-2006, 05:33 PM
where the heck did my post go in this thread... did it get deleted?
Aaron Peluso
08-02-2006, 05:52 PM
oh man. I love me some internet fights. This will be long, but I will try and keep it as on topic as possible. I was going to keep relatively quiet, but I am actually glad you prompted me to explain things in detail.
The main ingredient in operating the tour is sponsorship and support from fellow industry companies. After West Street and Cabo events, in which Allyance provided the entire cash purse with not one supporting company, Allyance made it abundantly clear that they would not continue to be the “meal ticket� for skim.
All efforts were made to make the World Championship at Aliso the biggest Skim contest to date. Major companies were contacted for sponsorship dollars and all laughed upon hearing the event; yet Allyance was determined to continue with Aliso.No one, including Skim industry companies, wants to help support its own family. For years, Victoria had been the primary sponsor and seen a constant decline in support yet an increase in restrictions and operating costs from the county. Thus, after receiving little or no support from other industry companies, they decided to retreat from the contest scene.
I own a couple skim companies. I offered Trigg to help in any way I could no less than about 5 times (for Aliso). He said he had it under control, but did ask for a couple of favors such as borrowing my rules from Oktoberfest, which was sweet.. I was honored.
You never contacted me asking for support for any event. Bill also mentioned at one point that Allyance "doesn't like Exile" and wouldn't be sponsoring Exile athletes. Perhaps you were too embarrassed to ask? I don't know if he really spoke for you, but I did notice that no Exile riders got sponsored nor asked. This on a team that some consider the best in the sport. If thats the case it sucks that you got caught up in skimboard politics so fast.
For all the instant haters who have so quickly forgotten all the positive contributions Allyance has made to the sport of Skimboarding, you need to open up your eyes and stop asking why Allyance does not give more and create bigger prize purses, yet ask why all the other companies do not give one single dollar.
Exile is a four year old company and we sponsor our own event in Balboa, help with Santa Cruz every year ($$$$), supported gold coast with $$$'s in the past and this year will also be helping with $$$$ at Vilano. In addition to prize donations at about 10 events a year. Zap sponsors an entire east coast tour, as well as portugal and other international events. You headlined three events, and hence should have expected to bear the brunt of the sponsorship weight. If I was contacted I probably would have gladly helped out in some way. But you coming on as title sponsor at all three events means you should expect to pay to be the title sponsor, not gather industry support amongst a tight knit group of people who have known eeach other for years, and whom you dont know at all. I dont hink I have ever said flat out no to a request for contest support. Zap probably would have too, but I doubt they were contacted either.
Registration dollars barely cover the forever growing costs of permits and additional operating fees. All of the companies that have contributed in the past were contacted and no longer wish to participate besides from Shark Energy Drink.
You probably should have tried some new companies. Also, to the best of my knowledge two of your events were unpermitted. So the cost for that was zero. Also to the best of my knowledge Vic paid for the permits for Aliso. Also making your cost zero.
Shark Energy Drink provides $3000 for every UST event which is paid to Aaron Peluso. In turn, Aaron is to direct that money to the events purse. Cabo was a UST event in which zero dollars made its way over from the UST. At Aliso, the $3000 was promised by the UST until the day before the event when Allyance was notified that only $1000 of the money would be given for the purse. In a phone conversation with Aaron Peluso, he was asked why only a third of the money would be given when it will only hurt the prize purse and the pro competitiors. His reply “they will just have to try to win money somewhere else!�
I have been working for the past 9 months or so to bring Shark into skimboarding on a bigger level, and for a longer time period, than has ever been seen in skimboarding before. Shark's interest in the sport has been one of the driving forces behind creating the UST, now still only a few months old with no formal organizational structure (not registered with the gov yet, thats this weeks task.... the meeting is tomorrow). While a contract for Shark sponsorship has been in negotiation for over a month now, it has not been signed, hence the public is unaware of these details as of yet.
Presuming things do not change before contract signing. Shark is expected to contribute 3k per event to the UST during the first year of sponsorship.
Per conversations with Bob Smetts, Trigg and myself, we planned to split checks from shark into one third for the event (purse, operations etc...) and 2/3 for a end of year UST purse for the top UST competitors. So, based on a $3000 check that is $1000 for the event and $2000 for the UST. This was agreed to verbally in late May or June. I have since contacted contest directors across the country including Steve Pullara, Harry Wilson and Skim City Greg and explained this to them and see if it would get their support. All agreed. Steve even agreed at the risk of souring a relationship with another energy drink company, because he saw that this was a big thing for the sport.
So come wed before the Aliso contest there is no contract signed and no check from shark, but Shark has agreed verbally to give the money and I trust them so I contact Trigg to see if we want to just cover the $1000 for the event counting on a check when their marketing director returns from vacation. Trigg tells me that Allyance is under the impression that they will be getting $3000 for the event. I have never had any contact with Allyance regarding this and am surprised to even learn that they are handling sponsorship dollars, and that they have been promised anything, especially triple the actual amount. Trigg asks me to call Allyance and explain it to them.
So I do. The dude is pissed because its not what he is expecting. Okay. But he is a little more pissed than I would think considering that it shouldn't affect him or allyance in any way. Right? If you get $1000 instead of $3000 then just lower the purse $2000 less than what it would have been (by my understanding that would have been ($11,000 instead of $13,000, since it was $10,000 before ????) That was just what I was thinking. I didnt say it. He mentions something about it hurting the pros because then they dont get the money. My response is that they will get the money at the end of the year. Thats what we are holding it for... for the pros.
Later on in the day I receive a call from his boss who I explain the same thing to. He is even more pissed. He proceeds to curse about how pissed he is at skimboarding and everything thats gone on for some time. He also says that this situation doesnt sound like its my fault (how could it be?). He apologizes for taking it out on me several times during the conversation. I try my best to make him feel better about skimboarding. But frankly, he was just livid. Thats that. He has also been told by his employee that the UST is holding money for "operational expenses". I again explain to them very methodically that operational expenses for the UST are to be covered by Vic Zap and Exile equally. The money is being reserved for the end of year purse.
Anyway, I tell him that I will personally cover the $1000 for the event and get him a check (even though I have at this point not received any money from Shark). The next day I get an overnighted check for the Aliso event from Shark. The check is made out to the United Skim Tour. Not Aaron Peluso, and not Exile Skimboards. We should be able to cash it in a few weeks once the UST bank account is opened. Then I can be paid back my $1000 for "the Vic" contest. (!!!!!)
I have asked Bob Smetts to handle the accounting duties once the org is set up so that there is no chance for one of us west coasters, or a new UST employee, to abuse the account. Oversight is always a good thing. This request was made weeks ago.
The Aliso check is the first check received from Shark per this deal which still hasnt been formalized yet. We may receive OBX money as well but have not and will not receive money for the 2006 Cabo event. Which is why nothing was given for that event. This is the 3rd time I have explained this fact to Allyance.
Zap Exile and Victoria have agreed informally to split the expenses of creating the UST organization, leaving all "remaining" Shark money to competitors. Trigg also suggested carving out a certain amount of money for my efforts because I have been working really hard to bring it all together. I declined, adding only that it might be a good idea to think about such a thing for someone else who will continue to perform these duties after I get everything set up. My work is free of charge. I want no money from the UST. Zero.
Any more accusations about my personal involvement financially or otherwise in the UST will gladly be answered cause they will only make me look better once people realize what I have been up to.
Allyance will not stand by and remain silent on why the prize purse was below expectations. Once again, registration fees do not equate to the prize purse. Trigg Garner and Fathom Industries was responsible for all production aspects of the event and can verify operating costs. In addition, many of the pro contestants and their sponsor did not pay their registrations which is ashame.
That sucks. When I ran my first ever contest last year I made sure to get paid entry fees before the competition started. That being said, if fathom was responsible for production aspects then where did any remaining entry fees and sponsor $$$'s go, besides Allyance's pocket. Not accusing, just not understanding. Trigg did break down some of the expenses of the event for me, and it was a lot. Almost 7k. But it is my understanding that Victoria covered all those. So what did the entry fees cover? What did the $1000 from Shark cover?
Skim will not survive with constant greed and liars as the core. The UST has much explaining to do and they can no longer play dumb. Their actions and decisions are only hurting the group they claim to support and Allyance will not be used as a scapegoat for their poor decisions. Furthermore, companies such as Skim Magazine, Victoria Skimboards, Lands End Skimboards, Skimkidz, and Burnlounge are true to their word and want the best for Skim. They have pledged support and follow through which is more than can be said about any other skim industry company; all of which look to participate and reap the benefits without any contributions whatsoever.
I think I have answered all your questions regarding the UST, for the third time. If you have more then please let me know. You name a bunch of companies that have been true to their word, "which is more than can be said for any other skim industry company". But to the best of my knowledge those are the only skim industry companies with whom you have worked. In which case I am happy to hear that you have been so pleased with the way you have been treated. But I fail to see how you could possibly say that me, Exile, Zap or others are less than honest?
In closing, this is an unfortunate incident for all involved. Allyance will no longer contribute or participate in Skim at any level. Let this be a lesson to any and all who care; the problems and culprits here are internal in the Skim community and until these are eliminated, Skimboarding will continue to suffer.
That is unfortunate. But at least some of your blame seems misplaced. In fact, since you praise all the companies you have worked with, I am a little confused as to what your gripe is?
It makes even less sense since on the phone someone who claims to "run allyance" (name withheld) said that "it looks like we (Allyance) just got involved with the wrong people from the beginning."
I didn't ask for you to elaborate. I dont want any part of your mess. So stop trying to project it on me. I had a total of three phone conversations with you. Any perceived problems with me are in your head.
Anything else you want to say to or about me can be said right here. I am all ears.
Pack A Bowl
08-02-2006, 06:07 PM
"wowee capoodles" - dog from catdog.
http://www.nickelodeon.com.au/toonroom/catdog/images/catc.gif
solvenskim
08-02-2006, 06:19 PM
Amen
Kyle Thoresen
08-02-2006, 06:24 PM
Seriously, that was beautiful Aaron.
Not to mention a great idea for the UST and the top riders getting a bonus at the end of the season.
samcollett
08-02-2006, 06:25 PM
aaron, sick.
narwhal
08-02-2006, 06:27 PM
Peluso you are getting applause right now from me.
Very well put.
Blak_skimmer220
08-02-2006, 06:30 PM
i dont like reading alot, so can someone some up whats been going on?
samcollett
08-02-2006, 06:30 PM
i dont like reading alot, so can someone some up whats been going on?
it's worth the read.
VeeEyeSee
08-02-2006, 06:31 PM
*Starts slow clap*
bueno timing my friend
noogie
08-02-2006, 06:32 PM
once more, for all you yuppie faggots from new york.
FUCK THE ALLYANCE
i wish you nothing but failure and I hope you dont think that you are in any way, shape or form "cool" for your lackluster efforts in snowboarding, skimboarding etc. Fuck you leafer faggots
noogie
P.S.
Originally Posted by Allyance
In closing, this is an unfortunate incident for all involved. Allyance will no longer contribute or participate in Skim at any level. Let this be a lesson to any and all who care; the problems and culprits here are internal in the Skim community and until these are eliminated, Skimboarding will continue to suffer
Good fucking riddance you morons
VeeEyeSee
08-02-2006, 06:33 PM
kick his ass seabass!! props to noogie for speaking his mind
Why didn't anyone continue with the slow clap?
the Kramer
08-02-2006, 06:38 PM
i love when aaron regulates, it has so much power!!!
CLAP............CLAP............CLAP
megadeth
08-02-2006, 06:43 PM
so um... who are the bad guys in the situation? Can someone break it down barney style? eh eh? I don't feel like redaing 273 posts.....
didj prophet
08-02-2006, 06:49 PM
so um... who are the bad guys in the situation? Can someone break it down barney style? eh eh? I don't feel like redaing 273 posts.....
allyance came into skimming supposedly to give skimboarding more exposure and get it the respect it deserves, then they found out that doing that would actually require hard work and sacrifice, and that there was little to no chance of turning much of a profit, at least until it had actually gained exposure and respect, so then they realized that they actually don't care about skimming enough to put in that hard work and sacrifice, so they backed out, and on their way out they decided to insult the entire skimboarding community and say that they don't want anything to do with skimming or skimboarders in the future, yet for some reason they still had to log onto skimonline and try to save face even though they stated in their post that they dont give a shit about any of us
but that is really just my interpretation, read the whole thread and decide for yourself
p.pointe
08-02-2006, 06:51 PM
I read it all, and it still is confusing. Loosely put: Allyance is a bunch of kook ass yuppies who tried/did fuck over the skim community. It really is worth the read...
I agree with noogie, fuck the allyance and everything they stand for
p.s. Aaron, you the man now dog!!
megadeth
08-02-2006, 06:54 PM
wow. what little bitches....
Kyle Thoresen
08-02-2006, 08:00 PM
For anyone who is anyone in skimming, even if you just bought your first woodie at WalMart should read this entire thread word for word.
HandsomeJonneh
08-02-2006, 08:05 PM
The fact the Allyance sends an un-named representative to bring unfounded accusations against an administrator... not to mention the owner... of these boards just shows how immature you, the Allyance, really are.
However, if you'd like to accuse any of the skimonline staff, Aaron Peluso, or hell; maybe even the UST? Here's a quick reference guide!
Aaron - send him some love here (http://209.200.226.154/forum/private.php?do=newpm&u=1)
Jonny - send me some love here (http://209.200.226.154/forum/private.php?do=newpm&u=2)
Derek - send him some love here (http://209.200.226.154/forum/private.php?do=newpm&u=47)
Bart - send him some love here (http://209.200.226.154/forum/private.php?do=newpm&u=35)
Exile Skimboards
info@exileskimboards.com
949-492-0284
Please, if you feel you've been unfairly treated, by all means send one of us a message! But, you may recieve a reply such as the following...
don't let the door hit your ass on the way out
Ciao!
ZapBulletRider
08-02-2006, 08:06 PM
holy shit, just read AP's post. I am totally fucking pumping my fist right now, Arsenio style. THAT's the response I was hoping for. Let's give it up one more time for the Big Dogg.
p.pointe
08-02-2006, 08:15 PM
i prefer one of two fist pumps during clutch performances.
http://www.espnstar.com/photo/1135830895803tiger_woods_291205.jpg
or
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40085000/jpg/_40085876_tiger_fist300.jpg
wow. i guess i shoudl read it. college paper length and all.
Corey_Ryan_Sucks
08-02-2006, 08:46 PM
2 anyone saying it was "10st bros"......pretty sure it was mainly ONE. I think the other just kinda went with it or something .I think it would of sold for more if both parties were down like that, but hey i suck what do i know......well i do know that GEO is a PIMP so thats pretty much what im saying and noggie,acting very pimp like aswell at this time with all this mumbo jumbo spit spak....but i mean hey i do suck....so F.T.A
Ryon Graf
08-02-2006, 08:50 PM
twas a good read. I'm glad I didnt try to sell any photos to allyance.
I will continue with the slow clap.
I'm also very stoked to hear the UST is gaining some ground. I'm gonnna be stoked to see where it goes.
ZapBulletRider
08-02-2006, 08:59 PM
I'll be making my entrance into the pro skimboarding world next year. I'm looking at Marva Maid and Dr. Scholl's for possible sponsors.
Gunstock
08-02-2006, 09:02 PM
Aaron you are a sick fucking man. I want to hug you and tell you I love you soon. Its been far too long.
i can post the allyance post if anyone wants to read it, and/or is ok.
(full)
great post mr peluso
Kristina G
08-02-2006, 09:34 PM
i didnt get a chance to read all of the posts, but i thought i would add my own two cents, all though its prob the same as everyone else.
this is incredibly messed up. basically, its like stealing from a homeless person. first off the skim community has no money, and when there is a world championship, where people come from all around, we try to make this into a big growth for the community. but instead they just rip us off. personally this pisses me off.
also, i got 3rd for womens. and my prize package wasnt even prob worth 50$. i've competed years before, and i had gotten anywhere from 100-250$ in prizes i believe. this makes no sense whatsoever. the pros didnt just get robbed, everyone else who placed prob did too.
so basically, allyance is a little bitch
waddsworth
08-02-2006, 09:42 PM
After West Street and Cabo events, in which Allyance provided the entire cash purse with not one supporting company, Allyance made it abundantly clear that they would not continue to be the “meal ticket� for skim.
Since, according to Aaron, there was little to no operating expenses for the West and Cabo events, does anyone care to estimate the number of pro and am participants, and calculate the total of the entry fees? As well as the prize purse? It should be fairly easy to estimate whether Allyance had a net gain or loss for the two events.
Regardless of such details, the "Board Sports Legend Bill "Beaker" Bryan joins the Allyance" press release is dated April 3, 2006. I guess they are upset that they haven't seen a significant profit in four whole months. With the millions that all the major skim companies are profiting after being involved in the industry for just slightly longer, I can see how they'd be so upset.
narwhal
08-02-2006, 09:43 PM
so basically, allyance is a little bitch
Jesus thats quote of the year.
Blanton
08-02-2006, 09:49 PM
"go Grab A Beverage, This Thread Is Packed"
KrisStone
08-02-2006, 09:50 PM
What is sounds like to me is that Allyance tried to be really smooth about the money and hoped that no one would really notice and now that someone did they were just trying to cover their own ass.
But what I have to ask is did no one write down anything such ass contracts to money promised, or money held. How can a company run away with thousands of dollars and no justice could thier be a lawsuit?
steve-o
08-02-2006, 09:52 PM
wow. mr. peluso-very articulate response. and thank you for what you do for skimboarding.
ps-this thread should be made a sticky thread so everyone can see it.
Patrick
08-02-2006, 10:05 PM
Nice one Aaron and nooige.
Aarron took more of the political approach, where Noogie, just straight up tells it how it is.
BOOYA!
we caught allyance ridin dirty...
They were the shorty and went for a ride with young buck. Then got spanked and booted out of the Skim-mobile
hornard14
08-02-2006, 10:31 PM
Just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for the sport over the last few years. All the work you've put in skimboarding- extremely admirable. Its not every sport you can come onto a message board and read about all the politics of a contest straight from the owners of the big companies, together with all the athletes' opinions. Thanks for your time in giving your input on the events leading up to the contest - i think we all appreciate what you do for the sport.
To me, it seems like a serious waste of energy to get mad at these gaylliance guys - they don't deserve any sorta energy from skimmers like us. Let it be known that they're schieisters (sp?), and just money-hungry assholes, expecting a quick payoff in this fast-paced world. They'll get their big piece-of-shit RVs when they retire, a time when they can roam the world in their walkers because they're too old to rely on their own two feet. We should feel sorry for them almost - they'll never know how awesome a sport like skimboarding is - they'll never experience the feeling like we do. I also think its a lesson learned - sue the bastards if they broke the law, and have discretion in the future about trusting people/companies like them.
Aaron Peluso
08-02-2006, 10:43 PM
Since, according to Aaron, there was little to no operating expenses for the West and Cabo events, does anyone care to estimate the number of pro and am participants, and calculate the total of the entry fees? As well as the prize purse? It should be fairly easy to estimate whether Allyance had a net gain or loss for the two events.
I remember calculating that entry fees for west st should have been around $3000. There were expenses for the event, such as a modest amount paid to Trigg to run the event. But in any case Allyance's financial contribution to the event was also quite modest and pretty much in line with what you would expect for a headline sponsor of a small event like west st (I think). I don't think they took anything home on those to events, but I dont think they were overpaying either. Their sob story gets nowhere with me.
Unless there is something big that I am not getting, its seems like they took thousands of dollars home at the Aliso event and Vic picked up the slack.
That sounds like skimboarding taking care of their own to me...
TheRealVortex
08-02-2006, 10:55 PM
fuck allyance. i didnt read this whole thread. i read aarons post. sums it up for me i read some other posts about heo they fucked people over... so heres a big middle finger with my pants at half mast in your direction allyance....
FUCK YOU COCK SUCKERS DONT COME BACK TO OUR SPORT OUR CONTESTS OUR MSG BOARDS AND OUR BEACHES!
and also...
Thank you exile vic zap skimcity skimshop skimmag and who ever els i didnt name i dont know them all who support this awesome sport but thankyou for your contrubition to the community and i hope we can grow from this expierence and make it better and everyone should make a shirt that says fuck allyance and we will take a picture and send them to allyance!
samcollett
08-02-2006, 11:04 PM
holy new avatar aaron.
funkymunky
08-02-2006, 11:07 PM
first i was pissed, then i felt bad for accusing, and now after AP's ass-kickery im once again pissed. is there a guarentee that vic covered the 7 grand it costed to run the event? cuz if so there is a large sum of money not accounted for, and if the allyance claims to of handled the money, which they do, then they need to stop lying out their asses, fess up, and give the money back to the rightful owners. i think it would even be a good idea that the money goes to vic to re-emberse them for picking up the slack
Kyle Thoresen
08-02-2006, 11:08 PM
Greatest avatar ever. Its a nice new fit for Aaron. Fist pumps for life.
p.pointe
08-02-2006, 11:10 PM
holy new avatar aaron.
Fuck, now everytime i see a picture of tiger woods, i'm gonna think of AP ;) lol
his x-man avatar guy did the same thing.
chrisadkins85
08-03-2006, 06:02 AM
I think we need a seperate board or category for tournaments, Sponsorships, and companies to interact with the riders. This might be a good idea to have the actual boarders give ideas directly to companies and sponsers and event staff for tourneys. Commuication between the boarder community and manufacterers and people who hold events and not just the top dogs I think is a must. Atleast at this point on the rise of skimboarding.
skimmer-x
08-03-2006, 07:10 AM
OK, now that I have read 11 pages of this read both sides I have formed an opinion. First off(say it with me) Allyance, you are a bunch of liars and cowards. Fuck you. First you post then get scared and delete it knowing the repercussions of your statment. We don't want you so go away. You come on here and blame everyone else for your fuck up. Just admit it. You came into this venture with the intentions of making money. I don't care what you told Foreverskim in the mag or what you blow up my ass on here. A wise friend of mine said once that he did start his company for the love of the sport and to give back. But he'd be a fool to do it absolutly for free.
I'm not saying you should get paid for volunteering, but if you put in an investment, you want returns. I understand that. But you have to give it a chance. What this is your third comp? Not getting paid? Yeah, let me withdraw all my investments after three weeks just because there is a slow down in the stock market. Aaron hit the nail on the head with his book so I don't need to go into alot of that stuff. Just read it and shut up. Get the fuck out of my sport you vampires. It's bad enough no one respects us. Yes we have some internal stuff to straighten out. But it is in works. Judging, points, etc.
But as long as dicks like you try once then pull out for whatever reason comes along, the sport will never be a household name like you want it to be. That is how you will make your money. The long haul. Not the short term. I would hope that you rethink your position on this. But I know that isn't going to happen. So I pray that skimboarding can grow on it's own with people and companies like Zap, Exile, Skimcity, Skimshop, Victoria, Run Drop Slide, Foreverskim, UST, Skim USA, Boardheads, and all those others that support us in anyway you can. It's grass roots stuff like that that will make us strong. Not greedy companies from NYC that have never even skimmed in their life.
So I hope this experiance will help the sport to grow. You have to learn to get knocked down to learn to get back up. My rant is over thank God. What up true skimmers and I'm out.
Frank Hastings:cool:
wardovision
08-03-2006, 07:42 AM
Originally Posted by Allyance
All efforts were made to make the World Championship at Aliso the biggest Skim contest to date. Major companies were contacted for sponsorship dollars and all laughed upon hearing the event; yet Allyance was determined to continue with Aliso.No one, including Skim industry companies, wants to help support its own family. For years, Victoria had been the primary sponsor and seen a constant decline in support yet an increase in restrictions and operating costs from the county. Thus, after receiving little or no support from other industry companies, they decided to retreat from the contest scene.
All efforts?? uh, did you even TRY to get any other sponsors? Grabbag would have been happy to contribute but was never asked.
holy new avatar aaron.
never thought i'd see the day
Pack A Bowl
08-03-2006, 07:57 AM
allyance is not our ally.
Thrillhouse
08-03-2006, 08:01 AM
2 cents
With or without Asslyance this sport will make it. Just take a look at the growth in the last decade, or even from last year, it's insane! Every Christmas I see the skim community multiply. :)
Bottom line is, with this much growth we will kick in the door of opportunity soon enough. I applaud those on the front lines trying to grow it. Allyance is just stepping stone and a lesson learned at this point.
TheRealVortex
08-03-2006, 08:38 AM
Fuck The Allyance!
I'm just curious, do any of the riders for allyance still ride for them? Or by them saying they're wipping their hands clean of skimming, is their way of dropping those riders also?
skimmer-x
08-03-2006, 08:52 AM
That's what I would like to know. I know money talks and bullshit walks, but I'd tell them to go to Hell after that statment.
ted@mb
08-03-2006, 08:56 AM
pwned.
slottyskimmerIZ
08-03-2006, 09:03 AM
what I wonder more is whats happening with 10th street bros. if they're "wipping clean"
wardovision
08-03-2006, 09:25 AM
I sure hope not. I'll be pissed if this mess ends up fucking over Geo and his new family.
Richard
08-03-2006, 10:51 AM
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/1362/allyancesc9.jpg
Richard
08-03-2006, 10:52 AM
p.s.
sorry if i have fucked up your window now
oh and yeah
we should start a myspace group and that would be a great logo.
ZapBulletRider
08-03-2006, 11:28 AM
what I wonder is how you "wip clean" of something
slottyskimmerIZ
08-03-2006, 11:45 AM
eat my balls whit.
samcollett
08-03-2006, 11:48 AM
haha ok story time. so one time i went to wendy's and i pull up to the drive thru window and it says "turn off your whippers." the lady was like read the sign, turn off your wipers and i was like....the sign doesn't say that. eh it was amusing.
samcollett
08-03-2006, 11:50 AM
you know, whippers, like whip. i guess you had to be there.
Walruz996
08-03-2006, 11:55 AM
Silly sammy, always makin funnies.
skimnczach
08-03-2006, 12:06 PM
can't believe i missed this yesterday
skimcentral
08-03-2006, 12:13 PM
What we need is for someone like Bill Gates to have a son that loves skimming!
Then the money would flow in.
slottyskimmerIZ
08-03-2006, 12:22 PM
Oh... I didn't tell you guys? yea... my dad owns Girls Gone Wild, the next DVD is "skimming sluts shorely get pounded" it looks to be sick, don't worry guys next year "GGW Aliso Skim Jam"
snapcase skimmer
08-03-2006, 01:40 PM
well AP thank god your smart and you know how to stand ground for what
you do and the truth. i personally was someone who always complained about how much money you board companys charge for boards since i ride a
non factory board made out of the same material as you board companies and
its 250 dollars not 400.... so i always thought you were robbing the sport. but of course i kept my mouth shut cause i dont know all ins and outs. but i dont know why you the factories who have created this sport and kept it alive would not want to run the biggest contest of the sport. but then again with bill winning all the time when most of the time someone else should have won (like the time brad evers crushed everyone flawlessly and got robbed to the point were he wont compete in that contest anymore) and tex writing the checks and all the accusations that came with it every year is probably why you factories dont want to deal with it, but now you have too otherwise this will happen everytime... but if real people like AP,SKIM CITY,MIKE COLE,RYON G,AND RDS,AND TRIGG,WOJ IN NJ, SMETTS AND ALL OTHER RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE getting more involved, i see a better future. and i was so stoked that someone like hime who is so underrated win it finally was awesome but now they say wrong count bill won and not to hear from bill not once on this subject kills me and looks shady. but like someone else said hopefully this is the best lesson and stepping stone for the last XTREME SPORT. we will make it the funny thing is we are running out of shorelines more then we are losing direction to the top. anything world wide will survive. keep it up pros and factories its all up to you were this gos from here....
Derek Makekau
08-03-2006, 02:04 PM
...you guys are gonna get so much more pissed in a day or two.
soooooooooooooo much more pissed.
Derek Makekau
08-03-2006, 02:07 PM
nevermind, make that today.
samcollett
08-03-2006, 02:07 PM
nevermind, make that today.
when, derek?
marcyman
08-03-2006, 02:08 PM
derek....
undertheradar
08-03-2006, 02:15 PM
...you guys are gonna get so much more pissed in a day or two.
soooooooooooooo much more pissed.
Cocktease.
Derek Makekau
08-03-2006, 02:15 PM
no, i meant about bill. apparently i was so hammered this morning i actually posted in the thread about it, and totally forgot.
Patrick
08-03-2006, 02:18 PM
What a mess.
samcollett
08-03-2006, 02:19 PM
edit: nevermind/.
derek, here you go (http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/)
HandsomeJonneh
08-03-2006, 02:26 PM
bart is cute
Derek Makekau
08-03-2006, 02:27 PM
thanks bart. but you're only an alcoholic if you go to meetings.
HandsomeJonneh
08-03-2006, 02:29 PM
derek, i want sushi right now... must i really wait another 2 weeks?
Richard
08-03-2006, 02:55 PM
...you guys are gonna get so much more pissed in a day or two.
soooooooooooooo much more pissed.
what the hell?
woody harris
08-03-2006, 02:55 PM
i love aaron
i knew your post would be worth the read
your serving powers amaze me
good thing at west i got an xl allyance sweatshirt and then a youth xl t shirt in my jr mens divison prize bag
anmaisle
08-03-2006, 05:34 PM
uhm yea i just finished my summer reading. so worth it. and yea peluso is awesome.
skimnczach
08-03-2006, 06:24 PM
this sucks
mike g
08-03-2006, 06:25 PM
You know... these days $4000.00 is really not a lot of money.
sadly, a company would make a $4000.00 decision that could
possibly destroy them, or not....
Whats even more disturbing is that I watched a
"Rock/Paper/Scissors World Championship" a few weeks ago
on A&E or something with a grand prize of $50,000
You guys are in the wrong sport! or have some really BAD promoters.
Rock-Smashes-Scissors-Fucker! Pay Me Now!
"when I play Rock Papers Scissors, I always choose rock. Because there is no way paper can beat rock. So When I throw rock, and I get beat with paper, I just punch them in the face, because my fist has already been transformed into a rock, and say, "where's your paper to protect you now"?"
skimmer-x
08-04-2006, 04:47 AM
What about Bill Derek? I wanna know NOW!!
I can't wait to see who stays on the team after they bashed skimming.
samcollett
08-04-2006, 07:27 AM
What about Bill Derek? I wanna know NOW!!
I can't wait to see who stays on the team after they bashed skimming.
he's talking about the fact that bill won instead of jaime.
Chris S
08-04-2006, 11:44 AM
that "get injected" mock ad is the funniest. isnt gas like $900 per gallon in laguna?
Kyle Thoresen
08-04-2006, 11:52 AM
You know... these days $4000.00 is really not a lot of money.
sadly, a company would make a $4000.00 decision that could
possibly destroy them, or not....
Whats even more disturbing is that I watched a
"Rock/Paper/Scissors World Championship" a few weeks ago
on A&E or something with a grand prize of $50,000
You guys are in the wrong sport! or have some really BAD promoters.
Rock-Smashes-Scissors-Fucker! Pay Me Now!
Yea those type of events and tournaments are what piss me off. I always hated it when they have jump roping on tv and the team of three winners get over 30 grand... its quite sad that skimming cant pull anywhere near those numbers.
I saw the rock paper scissors thing, i coldnt believe the amount of money they were awarding for that shit.
undertheradar
08-04-2006, 11:56 AM
The difference is that those things (no matter how rediculous) are something everybody knows about. In the grand scheme of things, surfing is only interesting to those that live on the coasts....where do you think that puts skimboarding?
In the same picture, only on a minescule scale.
undertheradar
08-04-2006, 12:11 PM
In the same picture, only on a minescule scale.
Bingo. Face it, skimming will never take off because it's not universal enough. hell, there are really only a few dozen really good skim specific spots in the US, and those places will continue to thrive. I just don't see a mad rush for skimboarding to be the next big thing. Just too many outside forces working against it.
Other than the lack of big money for pros....I don't see a huge drawback to it staying small...as long as the core board makers can stay in business.
samcollett
08-04-2006, 12:18 PM
i don't agree with that. skimboarding has evolved to the point of using rails, ramps, and other creatively engineered obstacles away from beaches/waves. i've been doing a lot around here (louisiana) to expand the flatland aspect of the sport as much as i can. i love waveriding, but flatland is all that's possible here. that's going to be one of the determining factors on wether or not skimboarding takes off. people are going to have to learn to adapt it to their surroundings, which is what i have been working on with the people in my city for the past few months.
undertheradar
08-04-2006, 12:23 PM
i don't agree with that. skimboarding has evolved to the point of using rails, ramps, and other creatively engineered obstacles away from beaches/waves. i've been doing a lot around here (louisiana) to expand the flatland aspect of the sport as much as i can. i love waveriding, but flatland is all that's possible here. that's going to be one of the determining factors on wether or not skimboarding takes off. people are going to have to learn to adapt it to their surroundings, which is what i have been working on with the people in my city for the past few months.
That may be the case, but people aren't going to pay money to see some kids sliding on rails in a river or lake somewhere. Big shorebreak skimming like at Aliso or Cabo is the only chanve for that kind of draw, and I already explained my theory on that.
Compare street skating to flatland skimming and vert skating to wave skimming. Which one gets the bigger ooohs and ahhhs?
Skating is skating and skimming is skimming, they are different things. Of course skating is going to be more spectator friendly, it's been around longer and there's more possibilities.
And, I've heard some of Sam's ideas, there's a lot of potential for flat land skimming. What people need to learn t odo is think otuside of the box. Just be creative and create more aspects to both wave riding and flatland skimming that will allow it to take off. It probably won't ever get as big as surfing or skating, but it can still grow and be more accepted.
EDIT: For your skating reference, look at people in the sport of skating like Bob Burnquist and Danny Way. They are creative and just expand the sport beyond everything that is imagined. I mean, did anyone see these guys flying over a Mega Ramp? Did anyone expecta backflip or front flip pulled on a skateboard? How abotu the 900? And, what about the soon-to-be-laned 1080? It's all about creativity.
samcollett
08-04-2006, 12:28 PM
That may be the case, but people aren't going to pay money to see some kids sliding on rails in a river or lake somewhere. Big shorebreak skimming like at Aliso or Cabo is the only chanve for that kind of draw, and I already explained my theory on that.
Compare street skating to flatland skimming and vert skating to wave skimming. Which one gets the bigger ooohs and ahhhs?
i actually compare flatland to street skating and wave skimming to vert skating. both get recognized for different reasons. skating is synonomous with huge vert ramps and tony hawk and many others doing things that blew people's minds. when i got my younger cousin into skating a few months ago, his mom looked at me and said, "i know you don't plan on putting him on those big halfpipey thingies they have on tv..." street skating has evolved to the level that very skating has only over the past few years. street skating is recognized more for it's technical variety, not unlike flatland skimming, whereas very skating is recognized more for the huge airs and spins, not unlike wave skimming. i believe that things are possible with flatland skimboarding that people would pay to see. some of the shop owners i have talked to believe things are possible with flatland skimboarding that people would pay to see, and that would redefine the possibilities on a skimboard. it's all about adapting to what is around you, like i said before. none of this is meant to be offensive, just my personal point of view.
undertheradar
08-04-2006, 12:29 PM
Skating is skating and skimming is skimming, they are different things. Of course skating is going to be more spectator friendly, it's been around longer and there's more possibilities.
And, I've heard some of Sam's ideas, there's a lot of potential for flat land skimming. What people need to learn t odo is think otuside of the box. Just be creative and create more aspects to both wave riding and flatland skimming that will allow it to take off. It probably won't ever get as big as surfing or skating, but it can still grow and be more accepted.
I'm not comparing skimming to skating. I'm comparing street skating to vert skating and flatland skimming to wave skimming.
Non skimmers are never going to be blown away by flatland skimming. They are more likely to be impressed by seeing some good wave riding though.
I'm not saying inland skimming isn't impressive, but it's never going to be appreciated by those outside the sport (on a large level).
undertheradar
08-04-2006, 12:31 PM
i actually compare flatland to street skating and wave skimming to vert skating. both get recognized for different reasons. skating is synonomous with huge vert ramps and tony hawk and many others doing things that blew people's minds. street skating has evolved to the level that very skating has only over the past few years. street skating is recognized more for it's technical variety, not unlike flatland skimming, whereas very skating is recognized more for the huge airs and spins, not unlike wave skimming. i believe that things are possible with flatland skimboarding that people would pay to see. some of the shop owners i have talked to believe things are possible with flatland skimboarding that people would pay to see, and that would redefine the possibilities on a skimboard. it's all about adapting to what is around you, like i said before. none of this is meant to be offensive, just my personal point of view.
That was my point. How much exposure does street skating get on TV during the x-games? How much attention does vert skating get? The simple answer is that vert gets a shitload more attention because it's visually more impressive to the untrained eye.
I guess you jus tworded it wrong initially then, "Compare street skating to flatland skimming and vert skating to wave skimming. Which one gets the bigger ooohs and ahhhs?"
Like I said before, you never know. Some of these flatlanders are creative. It could very well be recognized with some work. Probably not in the near future, but it is possible, for sure.
undertheradar
08-04-2006, 12:36 PM
I guess you jus tworded it wrong initially then, "Compare street skating to flatland skimming and vert skating to wave skimming. Which one gets the bigger ooohs and ahhhs?"
Like I said before, you never know. Some of these flatlanders are creative. It could very well be recognized with some work. Probably not in the near future, but it is possible, for sure.
Again, I'm sure they can do amazing stuff too, but I just don't see the general public being all that impressed with it.
That was my point. How much exposure does street skating get on TV during the x-games? How much attention does vert skating get? The simple answer is that vert gets a shitload more attention because it's visually more impressive to the untrained eye.
That's very true. For me, street is more impressive, but that's because I've been skating on and off for a good five to six years. I know a lot about the sport.
Also, the "untrained eye" yo use your words, basically learn what they know from TV and video games (where else would the see it?). TV shows mainly vert skating, and video games show impossible street skating. So, i na way, if they were t osee real street skating, they probably wouldn't be impressed because of the vision video games have put in their head. That's only my opinion though. I could be wrong.
samcollett
08-04-2006, 12:38 PM
Non skimmers are never going to be blown away by flatland skimming. They are more likely to be impressed by seeing some good wave riding though.
I'm not saying inland skimming isn't impressive, but it's never going to be appreciated by those outside the sport (on a large level).
you would be very surprised at the reaction i have gotten from shop owners around here comparing flatland to wave skimming.
Skim4L!fe
08-04-2006, 12:42 PM
Flatland is getting skimboarding exposure too. Not on the coast maybe but inland, sure its helping the sport so keep up the good work.
undertheradar
08-04-2006, 12:51 PM
you would be very surprised at the reaction i have gotten from shop owners around here comparing flatland to wave skimming.
Shop owners aren't the dollar spending masses though. :)
Again, I'm not bashing flatland, and I think it's great there are people like you pushing the sport, but thats not the argument here.
samcollett
08-04-2006, 12:56 PM
Shop owners aren't the dollar spending masses though. :)
Again, I'm not bashing flatland, and I think it's great there are people like you pushing the sport, but thats not the argument here.
i understand that. i was just talking about the owners of shops i have talked to in awe of the fact that skimboarding has evolved to using rails, ramps, etc. if they begin carrying skimboarding products, holding demos, and spreading the word, then the skimboarding industry profits and grows. this would contribute to the sport as a whole. once you get boards into shops and in circulation, you open up the market for traction, clothes, and accessories. i'm not sure about where you live, but the dollar spending masses around here are guys wanting to get involved in extreme sports. i understand that you're not bashing.
Kyle Thoresen
08-04-2006, 01:08 PM
Im going to, at the moment, have to be on undertheradar's side. Its understandable that flatland skimming is evolving into rails and ramps and all that jazz but what other tricks and things are being done. There is only so much you can do on a skimboard because you have to run to get your speed. So good luck throwing backflips and stuff like that. And tricks like those are the only things, I think, that are going to grab peoples attention.
And I also agree that I dont think wave riding is ever going to get big because of the lack of beaches there are to actually wave ride at. If anything flatland, in my opinon, will become bigger than the wave riding scene just because of the number of places it can be done... which is pretty much anywhere.
samcollett
08-04-2006, 01:14 PM
i believe that "new" things grab peoples' attention more than anything. this is why i think skimboarding can be expanded around here. people are so eager to try something new, that they would grasp the idea of skimboarding on rails and such, because it's so innovative and different than what they already know as skimboarding, and do nothing but progress. with said progression comes the demand for new and improved products, which benefits the industry as a whole. i've said this a couple times already, but it's really the determining factor of the expansion of skimboarding. adapt it to what is available to you. not everyone is lucky enough to live in california, florida, or near other skimmable beaches.
Kyle Thoresen
08-04-2006, 01:43 PM
I am just glad I was a thread starter to a 13 page monster!!! *Kyle attempts an Aaron size fist pump but fails and goes into a coma*
VeeEyeSee
08-04-2006, 01:55 PM
hahahahaha, no one can match the peluso fist pump
aussie goodness
08-05-2006, 05:34 AM
When i'm at school and on the computers and looking at some flatland videos just to see what they can do all my mates went wow and stuff like that at all the basic stuff and they are not into skimboarding at all some of them not into any sports even. So i think flatland could grow a lot.
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