I can't believe it

[yomismo]

Hi, I am the same guy named Cyrus00 that was banned days before only by post a link to a shape video.

I'm sorry if I hurt someone.


But I can't tolerate that someone try to garbage to myself.

This is the email I recieved:


Hi,

I sent you an email via notifying you that I had
suspended your account because you broke forum
rule number one with your very first post.

I am sorry if you did not receive this email.

If you have not seen the message board rules you can view them here:

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This list of rules appears at the top of every forum.

I also provided a link to a post which explains
in greater detail why the forum rule exists. Here is the link:

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In my email earlier today I also told you to let
me know if you have further questions. I will
still answer questions if you have any.

Please understand that since you came on and
posted something that is a blatant rule violation
with your first post, I had no way of knowing
whether you were doing it to be inflammatory (bad
person) or just because you did not know about the rule.

Please keep in mind that this is not me or exile
that is concerned about these things. When I
woke up this morning I had three voicemail
messages from people across the US telling me
about your post. Many people are concerned about
the direction of the industry if skimboard
manufacturing becomes far less centralized. This
is not about exile, it is about skimboarding.

If you have contact information for the person
who put that video up on google I ask that you
please give me his email address. I would like
to talk to him and see if he will consider taking
it down. Of course, I cannot make him. This is
not Cuba. But I would like to talk to him about it.

Thanks,

Aaron




At 01:48 PM 7/20/2006, you wrote:


> Thanks, but why don't you notify me that I am banned?, Is it a censured
>forum?
>
>I have only show why the companys don't show;
>
> If it is the functioning of the forum, please eliminate me from it.
>
> From today , the concept about Exile has changed, I would not believe it
>from a company of USA.............. It is property of Fidel castro?
>
>See you in Spain, a freedom country ;)
>
>
>
>
>
> >Dear Cyrus00,
> >Thanks for registering at Skim Online Message Boards! We are glad you
>have chosen to be a part of our community and we hope you enjoy your
>stay.
> >All the best,
> >Skim Online Message Boards




Aaron, if you will erase this post , it confirm that you conceal interests opposite to the skimboard


I do not have anything against you , but my mind can not assimilate why you try to cover the reality , skimboard technology are not different from kiteboards, for example.

If you have only erased the link in my first post and send my a mail telling that I'm in a bad way, this situation was been avoided.

I don't have anything against companys, quite the opposite.

The video is only information about the procces, people would value most his boards.

If persist banned me or earase your acst in that email , then if when I devote myself against companys whith a lot of information about shape ( in this forum, in a new web, blog,.......) a skimboard.



Best regards

[samcollett]

um....anarchist?

and also, why would you even post this?

[Aaron Peluso]

As I told you via 3 emails... you violated a rule of the mb. Hence the post was deleted and your account suspended.

As you suggested above, I did erase your first post and then sent you a polite email explaining why. I also suspended your acccount as I could not determine whether or not you did not know about the rule or were trying to violate the rule. You never responded.

I have explained very clearly why the rule exists in the past. I told you where you could view such an explanation. I also told you that if you had questions about it to please let me know, so that we could discuss it.

You have not asked me any questions and instead of writing me back you post a thread under a new account, including a quote of my private email to you. Which is subversive in and of itself. But I have nothing to hide.

I know I cant stop anyone from putting things on their own websites etc. But for my website which I have no doubt been working on longer than you have known about skimboarding, this is the rule.

Like I said numerous times before, I am willing to discuss the reasons for the rule in detail. I would welcome talking about it with a fellow skimmer from europe. Additionally I would like to talk to the person who put up the video in the first place. But you have not given me his contact information. So, if you would like to talk about this further, you have my email address. You can also respond to the private message I sent you if you like. I would prefer to have such a discussion in private, so I do not start another argument about it on the message boards.

I would like to be very clear that I have nothing against you and have not tried to attack you in any way. I think that maybe the language barrier might have lead to some misperceptions (mistakes).

I also did not ban your original account but rather suspended it while I waited for you to email me back. You never emailed me back though...

[Chrith]

Each morning I wake up brew some tea and drink it will i watch the wildlife in my back yard. Very serene and peaceful. I have no idea how this relates to your post

[Steve E]

i was actually expecting to read something interesting. god dammit.


get the fuck over it man, it's aaron's fucking messageboard so he can be hitler if he fucking wants. sit.on.a.knife

[Walruz996]

"The best part of waking up, is that folgers in your cup"

[Steve E]

damn aaron already posted since i typed that. fuck

[Aaron Peluso]

and for those of you who havent already seen the explanation why the no board building rule exists, this is from another thread (http://209.200.226.154/forum/showthread.php?t=630):

well, this rule existed long before exile was ever conceptualized. So its not about "me", or exile....

its about the proper direction of an industry. the skimboard industry needs to be modeled after the sucessful board manufacturing industries like snowbords and not like failed manufacturing industries like surfboards.

Snowboard manufacturing is a good model. There is a core group of companies that compete against each other and almost all contribute substantially back to the sport.

Surfboard manufacturing is a fucking mess because there are so many "local shapers" (thousands...) that drive prices down by working out of their garages or whatever and give nothing back to the sport of surfing. Even big shapers like Al Merrick don't substantially contribute back into the sport cause they are simply swamped with competitors who are "doing it for the love". Which actually works out fine for surfing cause there are big clothing/lifestyle sponsors to fill that void. Without them surfboard manufacturers could not hope to fill the void.

Skimboarding doesnt have that. We need mfg companies that can be profitable enough to reinvest in the sport and pick ourselves up by our bootstraps, cause no one else is going to do it for us. We need a core group of manufacturers working together, and against each other, to make the sport bigger and better. Otherwise this sport will never grow...

I am not acting as a barrier to new people who want to start companies, I am just refusing to be an enabler. People who want to make skimboards can go figure it out the hard way just like Tex, Bob Smetts, Adrian Prince and Chia did (amongst many others). Anyone complaining about not being able to figure it out on the internet doesnt need to know in the first place.

[marcyman]

I look at it this way, I'm a guest in someone else's house. I respect their house rules, period. It's all about common courtesy and some common sense.

[Scrub]

you just won back my heart, aaron. no, but seriously. After reading the blue text I actually understand the rules purpose.

[Flskimmer23]

real true

[gulfster813]

I might be mistaken, but isn't it part of the website's terms and conditions to follow the rules when you sign up?

[MDskimmerMAtt]

Aaron,
thank you for explaning the rule in the bkue text. I never realized why the rule was there but after hearing your explanation I completly understand the reason. Thanks

[nukka-cp]

You should make the blue text a sticky and something new users must read before they can post.

[HandsomeJonneh]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00032CDPA.01-A3CDPEGSIQM61V._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Walruz996]

ew, why is there butter on a muffin.

[TheRealVortex]

aaron is write... your wrong so get over it dick bag

[Aaron Peluso]

ew, why is there butter on a muffin.

umm... its not butter...

[undertheradar]

I would think that because of the fact that the OP is from Spain, which probably has an even smaller skimboarding scene than the US, he may be out of touch as to why Aaron has these rules in place. This is of course besides the fact that he broke the rules, I'm just trying to look at it from his perspective.



I agree with AP though.....who do you think sponsors and pays for contests and videos? These smaller ompanies who are reinvesting themselves in the sport...for the progression of the sport and their own survival. Do you think Joes blow making baords for himself and his buddies are going to do that? Not a chance.

[Walruz996]

umm... its not butter...

You got me Aaron. Why is there a butter like substance on that muffin?

[xghstx]

Is it just me or does anyone have a hard time understanding what that Yomismo guy was even talking about? Becuase either his English is bad or I can't read very well...

Break the rules pay the price... I think Peluso did the right thing. He broke the first rule on his very first post. At least we all have a complete understanding of why the rules exists (after Aaron's blue post). Thanks for the clarification.

[narwhal]

aaron is write... your wrong so get over it dick bag


are you kidding me Ken?

"aaron is write" holy christ.

Aaron I love you, your always right.

We have had arguments and at the end of night im at home crying.

[Derek Makekau]

You should make the blue text a sticky and something new users must read before they can post.

yeah, or like...yknow, put the rules at the top or something.


dur.

[yomismo]

Is it just me or does anyone have a hard time understanding what that Yomismo guy was even talking about? Becuase either his English is bad or I can't read very well...


ok, men , a try to explain in english but I don't know so much like you know about spanish. Because of that I reply in spanish and you translate it for the others guys, ;)


En ningun momento he querido romper las reglas del foro, solo queria mostrar un video con el proceso de fabricacion de un skimboard. El unico proposito era que la gente pudiera saber como se hacen y que es lo que estas pagando. Creo que era mas interesante que hablar the si zap es mejor que exile, o de que los skimboarders son demasido flacos.

Entiendo que si es el foro de Aaron, el pone las normas y hay que respetarlo; pero no creo que ese video violara alguna de ellas, ya que no se explicaba casi nada y ademas no esta en ingles. ¿por que las compañias de skimboard (Exile por ejemplo) no publican videos o fotos de sus procesos e instalaciones?


I would think that because of the fact that the OP is from Spain, which probably has an even smaller skimboarding scene than the US, he may be out of touch as to why Aaron has these rules in place


¿ que tiene que ver una cosa con la otra?, la diferencia es que en España , Portugal..... y en general en Europa, la gente trata de ayudarse.


who do you think sponsors and pays for contests and videos? These smaller ompanies who are reinvesting themselves in the sport...for the progression of the sport and their own survival.

Eso no es cierto, el progreso se consigue con mas investigacion. 5 marcas que dominan el mercado no es progreso........... se llama MONOPOLIO, y por so entiendo que traten de eliminar cualquier rastro que permita a la gente salirse del camino.


it's aaron's fucking messageboard so he can be hitler if he fucking wants

Cierto, es por eso mi desengaño. Pensaba que en USA teniais otra mentalidad mas liberal, :(


I think that maybe the language barrier might have lead to some misperceptions (mistakes).

Puede ser, yo entieno ingles perfectamente pero me cuesta expresarme correctamente, lo siento


I migth explain in english ( not too well) but you have guys that it bothers them, but sure they been charmed with translate spanish with they Knowledges.

Aaron, sorry again

[Aaron Peluso]

I am glad to see that you are no longer angry at me. I think we should be able to get along and be friends.

You did break the rule. I make the rules. So if something is done that I dont like, I will just change the rules. But it is not necessary this time. Because that was clearly breaking the rules. If you cant talk about how to make a skimboard, then its obvious that you cant show a video of how to make a skimboard.

Exile and other manufacturers do not show photos of facilities and processes. Such things have always been considered a trade secret (company secret) ....for all companies. The reason why they do this is to protect their secret processes. All manufacturers make their boards a little differently. If Exile for instance does a lot of research and testing to develop a new way to do something, the last thing I want to do is go tell Zap and Victoria. I spent a lot of time and money learning how to do something better, why should someone else learn it for free? This has nothing to do with the rule on the message boards. This is just common sense. Otherwise there would be no incentive to try and innovate and improve your product on your own. Why spend the money if you can just copy someone else?

No skimboard company could be called a monopoly. Five competing companies is five competing companies.... this is not a monopoly. Incidentally, there are way more than five competing companies. Exile is 4 years old. Obviously it is possible to grow a skimboard company if you know what you are doing. This message board rule does not keep anyone from making a serious company. If you want to make a serious company you dont need the skim online message boards.

I think I described in a fair amount of detail why this kind of information could be bad for skimboarding. I think I have made a strong argument. I think that if you were in my shoes and knew the things that I have learned about promotion, marketing etc... then you would have the same opinion as me.

[Pack A Bowl]

didn't you guys who made exile used to work at victoria though? . . . ha ha ha

[af17]

eyy i'm cuban, don't hate

[yomismo]

I think we should be able to get along and be friends

Sure, no problem


eyy i'm cuban, don't hate

my grandpa too



See you!!

[Rockporter9]

makes sense

[yomismo]

makes sense

Why?

[Derek Makekau]

didn't you guys who made exile used to work at victoria though? . . . ha ha ha

what?

[Blanton]

didn't you guys who made exile used to work at victoria though? . . . ha ha ha


Would you like some grapes with that?

[T-Bone]

aaron wins. i understand the rule so much better now.